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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: RPLownds on Sunday 15 April 18 22:11 BST (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can help me discover the background to a Michael Usher, born circa 1862. This info I have is that he married a Hannah Mary Lownds 1885, he then appears on the 1891 Census at Old Grey St. Sunderland and in the 1901 Census at Tee St. Sunderland. I am desperate (I dont use that word lightly!) to understand who were Michaels mother & father and their background
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What birthplace does he have on census?
From that it should be possible to trace his birth registration to enable you to order his birth certificate and find out his parents.
His marriage certificate should give the name of his father.
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Possible Michael Usher in 1871/1881 with parents Robert and Margaret.
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GRO
Michael Usher mother Carr,registered Sunderland 1861
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is there a connection here to your other posting for Usher earlier today
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So you have him in two census,woth his wife Hannahe Mary
the marriage is on free bmd to Mary Lownds
Sunderland March 1885
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possible parents marriage
Sunderland,Dec 1852
Robert Usher and Margaret Carr,(free bmd)
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Hello,
If you have him on those censuses, do you not have access to earlier ones?
You can search Family Search and the information there shows family names.
There is only one Michael Usher born abt 1862 in Sunderland showing - parents Robert and Margaret.
Free BMD gives a likely marriage in 1852 and GRO confirms that mmn is Carr.
1881 5000/122/62
45 Silver Street Sunderland
Robert Usher 54 yrs Mariner
Margaret Usher 45 yrs
Michael Usher 18 yrs General Labourer
Thomas Usher 16 yrs
Mice Usher 12 yrs
William Usher 10 yrs
Samuel Usher 7yrs
Margaret E. Usher 4 yrs
Isabella Usher 2 yrs
All born Sunderland
Heywood
P.s. I had typed this up earlier then Rootschat went down for me so here it is again ::)
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I can not read the st address in 1871 Sunderland
Robert Usher,aged 46 a mariner
Margaret Usher aged 38
Robert Usher,aged 16
Mary Usher aged 15
John Usher,aged 13
Michael Usher,aged 10
Thomas Usher,aged 7
William Usher,aged 5
Alice Usher,aged 2
Landers Usher aged 8 months
all born Sunderland
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Heywood it went down for me as well must have been a blip
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Silver street as in 1881
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is there a connection here to your other posting for Usher earlier today
I too wonder this.
A Michael Usher isn’t on the census’ with Foster and we now know he isn’t related to Mary Ann.
Jamjar
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All thank you for this information, its excellent. Jamjar/Ratcliff, it is linked to my other post, I was trying to understand whether Michael was related to Foster in any way, as this would mean that my grandparents had the same ancestor!
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Could Foster be related to Michaels father, Robert.
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I’m confused, where does a Michael Usher come into things. ???
Here is Foster’s birth:
USHER, FOSTER mmn FOSTER
GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in SUNDERLAND UNION Volume 24 Page 311
On the 1851 as Forster, but no parents showing here. Hopefully, someone can check other sites.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVM-L2P
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Do you have access to the censuses?
Have you tried searching on Family Search?
As already shown Michael is the son of Robert.
Robert appears in 1841 321/24/43
Robert is 13 yrs with Mary 30yrs and other children, including Mary, Elizabeth and Ann. No relationships are given in 1841.
1851 2397/185/52
William and Mary Usher with children as above and Forster. Jamar has linked to this entry. FS haven’t shown the full family as they run over two pages but you can look the parents up now.
It would seem, therefore, that Foster is the younger brother of Robert and uncle of Michael. (I think)
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The parents on the ‘51. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVM-L2J
Jamjar
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On the ‘41, but father not with them: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBH-P7X
Jamjar
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Marriage of William and Mary Foster
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: William Usher
Spouse's Name: Mary Forster
Event Date: 8 Nov 1827
Event Place: Sunderland,Durham,England
Jamjar
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On the 1841 Mary Usher is described as 'Wife of Wm at Sea' this has been crossed through
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This may be nothing to do with your ancestors but there was a Mary Bain who was connected (through an event) with some of my ancestors. She was the said illegitimate daughter of a Ralph Usher who was in turn the son of a Thomas Usher who had a business in South Shields. There was a lawsuit regarding Ralph being her father. There are stories about this in the Shields Daily News dated Tuesday, 26 January 1892; Tuesday 16 February 1892; Wednesday 17 February 1892; Wednesday 9 March 1892; Thursday 12 May 1892.
I only found this out after researching Mary Bain through newspaper stories after learning that she had once helped and shown hospitality to my ancestors. However, as your Ushers are Sunderland ones there may be no connection.
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Jamjar im really sorry, I should have provided some context/back story, my grandparents are a Mary Usher (granddaughter of Foster) and a Mark Lownds. However when I looked into Mark Lownds I discovered his dad was a Mark Usher Lownds, he had been born out of wedlock to a Michael Usher and a Hannah Lownds & it is the mothers maiden name that has passed down as the family name, so in theory my grandparents 'should' be a Mark Usher and a Mary Usher! I am just trying to establish whethere they had any common relations (would be a family bombshell!), im a bit of a novice, but they sites I have been pointed to seem useful, is familysearch expensive?
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When you ask re family Search, if you mean the site it is free https://www.familysearch.org
You have to register but it is useful for transcriptions of censuses and some parish records.
This looks to be Mark Usher Lownds transcribed as Mark W but the original looks to be ‘U’. Is that him born 1883?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSC4-GXY
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Hi Heywood, yes that is him with his Grandmother, the mother of Hannah Lownds. His dad was a Michael Usher, son of Robert. It certainly appears that Robert is the older brother to Foster.
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Free BMD has marriages in Sunderland
1885 Michael Usher and Mary Lownds are on the same page
1939 Mark Lownds and Mary A H Usher
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Thanks Heywood, yes Mary was the middle name of Hannah, she was Hannah Mary Lownds, in future Census she appears with Michael as Hannah. She also uses the name Mary on the birth certificate for Mark Usher Lownds.