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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: aidansrest on Thursday 19 April 18 15:17 BST (UK)
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Hi
Looking for evidence of Mary prior to her marriage to John William Ridley. She married him in Sunderland in 1873 (I have the marriage certificate).
She gives her age as 19 years and her father as Benjamin Cheeseborrow (Cheesebrough), a shoemaker.
She doesn't indicate that he is deceased.
Her address is given as 'White House Farm.' On every census after her marriage she says she was born in Newcastle.
Just cannot find her, or Benjamin, prior to this date.
Thanks
Sue
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There is a White House Farm in Bishopwearmouth in 1871
RG10/5008 65/14
I think John William Ridley was in Bishopwearmouth in 1971.
Occupants include a Robert and Rebecca Walker
and a Benjamin and Susan Walker
I did find a Mary Ann Cheesborah living with a Robert and Elizabeth Walker as niece in 1871 her age looks like 11 though in the right area.
Sorry don t think that helps much really
Cathy
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There is a birth :-\
Mary Ann Cheeseburn mmn Walton December quarter 1859 Newcastle 10b pg 83
Other births though Margaret 1863 and Joseph 1862 - they died as infants.
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Thanks folks!! I'm going to take a look at those suggestions now and let you know what I find.
Thanks again!
Sue
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Who were the witnesses to the 1873 marriage?
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Hi
They are very indistinct, but it looks like
Ralph Well and Sarah Egan
Sue
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There is a White House Farm in Bishopwearmouth in 1871
RG10/5008 65/14
I think John William Ridley was in Bishopwearmouth in 1971.
Occupants include a Robert and Rebecca Walker
and a Benjamin and Susan Walker
I did find a Mary Ann Cheesborah living with a Robert and Elizabeth Walker as niece in 1871 her age looks like 11 though in the right area.
Sorry don t think that helps much really
Cathy
This does look worth following up.
Robert & Elizabeth Walker had many children, including a Robert b abt 1827 Appleton Wiske, Yorkshire.
By 1871:
Robert snr (widowed) and some of his children are at White House Farm, Bishopwearmouth.
Robert jnr (married to an Elizabeth) is elsewhere in Bishopwearmouth, with "niece" Mary Ann Cheesborah, 11 b Northumberland.
Not found the link but it does look promising (even though Mary Ann is alarmingly young, if accurate).
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Another thing that ties the Walker and Cheeseborough's together is that Mary Ann named one of her children Robert Walker Ridley (born 3rd January 1885)
Sue
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Elizabeth wife of Robert Walker snr may have had maiden name Ridley (per birth reg of daughter Martha Walker, Sep qtr 1839 Sunderland).
Added: mmn is shown as Ridley also on the Sunderland birth registrations of sons Joseph (Mar qtr 1842) and Benjamin (Dec qtr 1845).
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Hi
Mary Ann married a Ridley (John William), but I don't think that they were related (could be wrong), its the Cheesborough that puzzles me!
Sue
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Ref for Mary Ann Cheesborah 1871 born Northumberland
RG10/5009 23/39
With Robert Walker aged 44 and Elizabeth Walker aged46 born Yorkshire
Did wonder if Mary Anns age was mistranscribed and she was actually 17 but it does look like a 1.
Cathy
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Just found something else too.
John William Ridley and Mary Ann's first child, Joseph Iveson Ridley, born in 1875 was with Robert and Elizabeth Walker in 1881, listed as a 'nephew.'
Hmmmm....
Sue
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Just found something else too.
John William Ridley and Mary Ann's first child, Joseph Iveson Ridley, born in 1875 was with Robert and Elizabeth Walker in 1881, listed as a 'nephew.'
That's great - a positive link between "your" Ridleys and this Walker family. So Mary Ann who was with them in 1871 is the right person.
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Robert Walker 26, son of Robert Walker, married Elizabeth Harbron 31 (wid), dau of Joseph Cheesbrough.
Bishopwearmouth, 21 November 1852.
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Aaah... I wonder if Mary was Elizabeth's daughter? She may have fabricated her father's name on her marriage certificate.
Sue
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No, that doesn't make sense if Mary was born in 1859 - sorry!!
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Elizabeth's niece looks more likely.
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You're right
Sue
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Her first marriage:
William Harbron, son of William Harbron
Elizabeth Cheesbrough, dau of Joseph Cheesbrough
1 April 1849, Bishopwearmouth
Civil registration: Jun qtr 1849 Sunderland 24 285
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1851 census: HO107/2396/157/18
Middle Hendon, Bishopwearmouth
Elizabeth Harbron Head Wid 32 Laundress Yorkshire Northallerton
Joseph Cheeseburgh Brother Unm 25 Weaver Yorkshire Brompton
Mary Cheeseburgh Sister Unm 22 House servant Yorkshire Brompton
Mary Ann Simpson Cousin Unm 21 House servant Yorkshire Brompton
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1841 census
Brompton, Northallerton, Yorkshire
Joseph Cheesebro 50 Weaver
Mary do 45
Elizth do 20
Joseph do 15
Mary do 10
All born in county.
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Marriage, 27 June 1852 Bishopwearmouth
John Gale 21 son of John Gale
Mary Cheesbrough 22 dau of Joseph Cheesbrough
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Joseph Cheesbrough married Frances Ellis, Sep qtr 1855 Barnsley.
They had a son William Harburn Cheeseborough mmn Ellis, Sep qtr 1859 Northallerton (among other children).
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Hi
Many thanks for that, and all your help...at least I know partly where Mary came from!!
Cheers
Sue
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It's frustrating not to find the exact link.
Another possible sibling/relative of Elizabeth is Sarah Cheesborough who in 1851 is in service at a boys' boarding school in Bishopwearmouth (The Grange) - she's 28 b Brompton, Yorkshire.
HO107/2396/502/23
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Hi
Sarah was Elizabeth's sister, baptised on the 9th March 1821 in Brompton, daughter of Joseph and Mary Cheesebrough.
As she is the only 'unaccounted for' sibling, it is possible that she is Mary Ann's mother.
There may be a small clue with the naming of Mary Ann's children too, just prior to the birth of Robert Walker Ridley, (named for her uncle) she had a daughter, Sarah Elizabeth, born on the 10th April 1882.
It would seem to me that she has named this infant after her mother and her aunt, who almost certainly brought her up.
Sue
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Sarah in 1891, with Robert and Elizabeth Walker, two households away from the Ridleys.
11 Robinson Terrace, Hendon,
Robert Walker, 64, Cartman, b. Northallerton Yorks.
Elizabeth Walker, wife, 71, B. Northallerton, Yorks
Sarah Dowing, 66, sister in law, married, b. Northallerton Yorks.
RG12/4136/79/12
Sarah in 1881 :
8 Brick Row, Edmondsley,
Wm Downing, mar, 45, Brickmaker, b. Sunderland,
Sarah Downing, wife, 43, b. Bishopwearmouth,
J W Downing, son, 20, Brickmaker, b. Bishopwearmouth,
Jno A Downing, son, 16, Brickmaker, b. Bishopwearmouth.
RG11/4980/27/49
Sarah in 1871 :
11 Robinson Terrace, Hendon, Bishopwearmouth (same address as 1891)
William Downing, 45, Brickmaker, b. Yorks, Kerby So.,
Sarah Downing, wife, 46, b. Yorks, Brompton,
Joseph Downing, son, 10, b. Durham, Sunderland,
John A Downing, son, 6, b. Durham, Sunderland,
George Downing, brother, 36, Farm Servant, b. Yorks, Kerby So.,
RG10/5008/103/90
Sarah in 1861 :
20 Henry Street, Bishopwearmouth,
Robert Rain, 44, Private Army, b. Northumberland, Hexham.
Sarah Rain, wife, 36, Laundress, b. Yorks, Brompton,
Sarah Hannah Rain, dau, 6, b. City of London,
Joseph Wm Rain, son, 6m, b. Sunderland
William Pouning, boarder, 34, unm, Brickmaker, b. York, Kirby South, - (William Downing?)
RG 9/3773/93/29
Can't find Sarah marriages to either Robert Rain or William Downing, but there are these births :
Sarah Hannah Rain,, b. 1854 London, mmn Cheesebrough
John Alfred Downing, b.1864 Sunderland, mmn Cheesborough.
Question is, if Mary Ann was Sarahs daughter, and was born some time between Sarah Hannah Rain and Joseph William Rain, would she not be a Rain rather than a Cheesbrough.
Alan.
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The Mary Ann Cheeseburn, born Newcastle 1859 mmn Walton.
Age would tie in with the 11 year old Mary Ann in 1871 census. Would mean she married aged 14 but that wasn't illegal then.
This Mary Ann has 2 younger siblings, same mothers maiden name, who die in infancy.
Death notices in the Newcastle Guardian :
14 June 1862.
At New Road on the 11th inst, Joseph, infant son of Mr Renwick Cheeseburn, Cordwainer.
1 Dec 1866.
At Cowgate on 20th ult, age 4, Margaret, daughter of Mr. Renwick Cheeseburn.
Renwick Cheesebrough, baptized 23 June 1827 Brompton, son of Joseph and Mary Cheesebrough, so a brother of Elizabeth, Sarah etc. Mary Ann names one of hers sons Renwick Ridley.
Right occupation for being Mary Anns father.
Do you have a photocopy of the original Marriage Cert or a hand written copy? Wouldn't take much untidy writing for Renwick to look a bit like Benjamin.
This looks to be him in 1851 :
Back Row, Newcastle St. John,
Reney Chesebroth, lodger, 22, unm, Shoemaker, b. Yorkshire, Brunton,
HO107/2406/56/13
Can't find him in 1861 or any other census, or his marriage to Ms Walton.
There is a death of a William Renwick Cheesbrough, Lanchester 1895, age 68. If that's him then maybe he preferred to go by the name William.
Alan.
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Brilliant, Alan. I think you have cracked it :)
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1841: Reynard Cheesbro, 13, is an apprentice to a shoemaker in Northallerton.
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Hi
Wow!! Well done - excellent work!!
I do have a copy of Mary Ann's marriage certificate to John William Ridley, and, her father's name does look like Benjamin - there is a definite 'j'.
However, it is very indistinct, and the more you look at it, the more the 'B' looks like an 'R'
Am over the moon with the quality of research from you all - thanks so much
Sue
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There is a death of a William Renwick Cheesbrough, Lanchester 1895, age 68. If that's him then maybe he preferred to go by the name William.
1891 census
RG 12/ 4087/ 42a /28
Busty Bank, Tanfield
in the household of John Isaac Richardson
William Renwick, lodger, widower, 66, shoemaker, Yorkshire NK
1881 census.
RG 11 / 5102 / 53 / 2
Herron Hill, Corbridge
in the household of WIlliam Johnson
William Renwick, visitor, widower, 52, cordwainer, Yorkshire, Brumpton
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This could well be them (despite his birthplace shown as N on T)
1861 census
RG 9 / 3827 / 16 / 25
Church Way, Newcastle upon Tyne
William Renwick, head, mar, 30, shoe maker, Newcastle on Tyne
Margaret do, wife, mar, 28, do
Mary do, daur, 1, do
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Looks very promising.
There's a death of a Margaret Renwick aged 36, Sep qtr 1858 Newcastle upon Tyne.
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All looking good! Mystery almost solved as a result of everyone's expertise!