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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: atmartinas on Monday 23 April 18 22:56 BST (UK)
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One of my great Aunts, Anastasia Sinnott married a Michael Culleton 1884, Enniscorthy Reg District. They were from Ballyboy and Ballytarsna townlands in Oulart. They were in Enniscorthy Town in 1901.
My Aunt did lots of research and has his death as 4 Aug 1906. His widow was still in Enniscorthy town with 2 single daughters in 1911 so I assume he died in Enniscorthy or at home in Ballytarsna but either way Enniscorthy Reg District. I can't find it. It never really bothered me until I matched DNA with their great granddaughter and now I really want to back up all my Aunts info on them. I have tried every spelling I can think of, one of their children was registered as Cullethan. He was a farmer and wife a shopkeeper. Can anyone help please?
Thanks
M
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/New_Ross__Urban/Wexford_Street/690551/
Correct or not??
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/New_Ross__Urban/Wexford_Street/690551/
Correct or not??
Not. Give me a couple of minutes and I will find the census if it helps.
M
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Michael and family 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Enniscorthy_Urban/Slaney_Street/1788249/
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/New_Ross_Urban/Wexford_Street/1799492/
Correct or not??
If correct... a Widow in 1901
Helps if one posts Links to people found!
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Great Aunt Widow Anastasia in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Enniscorthy_Urban/Slaney_Street/680657/
M
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Death in Jervis St. Hosp., Dublin of Michael Cullerton (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/876eb14850557) - 25th Aug 1906, gives his residence as Ballytarsna Wexford
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Death in Jervis St. Hosp., Dublin of Michael Cullerton (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/876eb14850557) - 25th Aug 1906, gives his residence as Ballytarsna Wexford
Say he's a Widower
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Death in Jervis St. Hosp., Dublin of Michael Cullerton (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/876eb14850557) - 25th Aug 1906, gives his residence as Ballytarsna Wexford
Wow, well done. That I feel must be him. It does appear to say widow but age and townland are right. The informant is not a family member. Can you read the cause of death please?
Thanks again
M
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all I can make out atm is : gastric? ..la... 5 days, Ex..h. 1 day, certified
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Death in Jervis St. Hosp., Dublin of Michael Cullerton (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/876eb14850557) - 25th Aug 1906, gives his residence as Ballytarsna Wexford
Say he's a Widower
Yes, I saw that it says Widower but I think on balance that it must be a mistake, I feel it must be the right Michael Culleton as Ballytarsna is a very small townland and they are the only Culletons there. I know my aunt got a lot of her info from descendants now all gone, she followed that up with info from the civil register and graveyards. She may have got have got the date from the family grave. She did note that the grave is in Oulart. Its a long drive for me but I will go there in next few weeks and check for the grave to see what I can learn.
M
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all I can make out atm is : gastric? ..la... 5 days, Ex..h. 1 day, certified
Thanks. I think Ex.... is Exhaustion, I couldnt read Gastric at all I thought it was a F!
M
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Some people take photos when they visit a Cemetery that night help others, I think Wexford had quite a few added recently on http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/
Have you searched g.yards online?
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I have only had success looking at Cantwell for my area graveyards. I might get to the library tomorrow to check. I have looked at IGP Archives but not in recent weeks so thank you I will have a look.
M
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Death in Jervis St. Hosp., Dublin of Michael Cullerton (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/876eb14850557) - 25th Aug 1906, gives his residence as Ballytarsna Wexford
Say he's a Widower
Hallmark
I wonder if it does - look at the W in William on the bottom row #345
The first part is more like married on the same row #345 except for the d at the end
This could be where the clerk realised he was writing in the wrong boxes!
Cause of death - Gastric ??lary 5 days Exhaustion 2 days 12 hours certified
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Death in Jervis St. Hosp., Dublin of Michael Cullerton (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/876eb14850557) - 25th Aug 1906, gives his residence as Ballytarsna Wexford
Say he's a Widower
Hallmark
I wonder if it does - look at the W in William on the bottom row #345
The first part is more like married on the same row #345 except for the d at the end
This could be where the clerk realised he was writing in the wrong boxes!
Cause of death - Gastric ??lary 5 days Exhaustion 2 days 12 hours certified
I make it out to be Widower.... the Clerk wrote Farmer before realizing error, you can see how the ...er is written in Farmer. Maybe others can see what they make of it.
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The joys of analysing handwriting!
Word after Gastric has me stumped though
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The joys of analysing handwriting!
Word after Gastric has me stumped though
it might be tetany though it looks like telany ???
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I see where you are coming from My Luck but as much as I want it to say married I am afraid I have to agree with Heywood it does say Widower to my eye. Still despite that not matching I feel that I can't dismiss this record mainly because of the Townland and then the age matches too.
I wrote the above and then I decided to check to see if I could find Michael Culleton in another Ballytarsna as with many townlands there are more than one in Wexford.
Now I am really confused for what I found;
Census 1901. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Castle_Talbot/Ballytarsna/1791898/
Looks like my Michael was in two places and was 46/47! ???
Now I am not sure what kind of arrangement they had as when son Michael was born address was given as Shannon for baby and Mother but Ballytarsna for father.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02513/1931578.pdf
They were married in https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10904/5983171.pdf1884
Am I mixing people up? I started off with info from my Aunts research she knew the Daughter of my couple and would have got info from her. I am sure my ancestor Anastasia from Ballyboy married Mick Culleton and that she was a shopkeeper in Enniscorthy.
But it looks to me like he is on both Census. Help?
M
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I only came across something similar recently for the 1911 census but they are dated which showed one was completed on the 21st of the month and the other on the 27th. The lead me to believe that the person had travelled to their family in the in-between and as literacy was an issue the constable completing the form possibly wrote down all present on both occasions rather than on the specific date for the census return.
This could also be the case here....
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I only came across something similar recently for the 1911 census but they are dated which showed one was completed on the 21st of the month and the other on the 27th. The lead me to believe that the person had travelled to their family in the in-between and as literacy was an issue the constable completing the form possibly wrote down all present on both occasions rather than on the specific date for the census return.
This could also be the case here....
Both done on 31st March!
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The date for the census was March 31st but it took several days for the enumerators to go house to house and collect the data and in many cases fill in the forms for those who were not able themselves. In 1911 these forms were dated however in 1901 I don't see dates.
The 1901 census at house 5 in Ballytarsna (Castle Talbot, Wexford) was enumerated by Edmond LAMASY(?) whereas the census at house 11 in Slaney Street (Enniscorthy Urban, Wexford) was enumerated by Francis Coughlan and although the people completing the forms could read and write an error could have occured.
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Thanks My Luck. I am sure it must be like you say it took a few days to complete and he was mistakenly put on both! The family grave was not on Cantwell so I asked my sister to look in Oulart. The weather was too bad this week so she hasn't found it yet.
I am left with a man who according to the records (Records I believe to be him), was in 2 places when he was alive and died as a widow leaving a living wife behind! There I was trying to firm up loose ends so I could enlighten my DNA match about her Ancestors and all I have is a lot of uncertainty :o
M
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I've found 3 examples of people being counted twice on an English census. 1 involved 2 people, woman and her grandson. Understandable unless the head of every household completed the form at exactly midnight on Census Day. :)
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The gift of bilocation is usually grounds for sainthood. ;)
That said I have encountered this on both Irish and US census returns. No more strange than those who are absent entirely. For example, he could have easily visited his mother on the day of the census, or the day the policeman visited, and got on the return that way.
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The gift of bilocation is usually grounds for sainthood. ;)
That said I have encountered this on both Irish and US census returns. No more strange than those who are absent entirely. For example, he could have easily visited his mother on the day of the census, or the day the policeman visited, and got on the return that way.
;D I will never know, maybe I should change his title to saint and attach both census records! ;D ;D