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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Warren Fowlie on Tuesday 24 April 18 23:09 BST (UK)
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This is a general shout out to anyone researching the Fowlie Family. Generally originating in North East Scotland, but now spread around the globe. I have a very large database of Fowlie Cousins that is expanding almost daily.
The database has grown from the work of several family members over the past 20 or so years. Unfortunately, those who did the earlier work are no longer with us, but others of us are continuing the work they started.
If you are a Fowlie or close Cousin, I would be happy to share individual connections, but please don't ask for the complete database. It is a work in progress and I am still trying to get control of it Some of the information from recent times is private that is being kept confidential. I am always looking to check details and find new leads. Hopefully you may be able to share what is not yet recorded in the database.
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Agnes FOWLIE (d/o William FOWLIE & Frances GARDEN) marr William GRANT (illeg s/o James GRANT & Janet CRUICKSHANK) 20 Dec 1862 Protsonhill, Gamrie. I have the usual from the censuses following. I'm interested if this family group is known and what if anything the family knows about William GRANT's origins.
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Good morning: Agnes Kinloch Fowlie chr. 18 Aug 1839, was the daughter of William Fowlie b. 28 Aug 1808 and Frances Forbes Garden chr. 1812. She married William Grant 1862, Gamrie, Scotland. They seems to have centred their lives around Gamrie. She is a 5th cousin to me twice removed. Only just got working on this line of the family last month. Still lots of gaps in my tree and I suspect it is going to take a few more years to get most of what is left into the system. Hope this helps.
Thank you for adding the names of his parents. When a non-Fowlie marries into the family, I add the names of his parents, but don't follow the family further. Basically I'm doing one name; Fowlie name, research. Happy to send a report with all the general and research notes if you are interested, once I have finished Agnes' record.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
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I worked with a Fowlie on part of my tree some years ago. His father had married a distant cousin of mine. If you PM me your e-mail address I'll send you a chart of the ones I know about.
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Hullo Warren,
If William Grant's mother is who I think she is (my gtgtgdmother), then William Grant is my gtgduncle and thus this family group is related to me (the children of William Grant & Agnes Fowlie being my first-cousins twice-removed).
I noted your email address before the Moderator removed it, so I'll send you my notes of this family group. Note the abnormally long gap between the first and second children. It would be great if you could expand upon (or correct) what I've already got.
Although it's outside your remit of Fowlie research, I'm particularly interested in proving the identity of William Grant's mother. If you're in contact with Grant/Fowlie family members (and I can see that there are several [private] Ancestry trees for this family group), there might be a way of achieving this.
I'll expand a little in my email, which I hope you'll find useful.
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I have a Jane/Jean Fowlie, b.~1822 in New Deer or thereabouts, illegitimate daughter of a Thomas Fowlie, crofter, and a Christian? Grieg. I have been unable to find much information on this connection. I know its a long shot, but figured I'd ask. Jane is my 4th Grandmother on my mums side. She was a sick-nurse and died of Scarlet Fever in 1873. Thanks!
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Good morning, I'll work through what I have and see where they lead. I do have a Jane Fowlie from around that time, but it is a bit unclear if she is the correct Jane/Jean. Do you have access to MyHeritage? If you haven't already been there, she appears with some Grieg and Hutcheson connections (various forms of Hutcheson). Get back to you in a few days. Thanks for making contact.
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Thanks for your reply. Yes, I'm on MyHeritage and that's most likely my tree your seeing. Here's a related thread with lots of information about my Fowlie/Hutchison ancestors.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=764025.0
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:)Hi there. I was tidying up my STUART family tree and discovered a Walter FOWLIE. He married my GGfather's sister Mary Jean Stuart (b. 1859). The family lived in the New Deer area. Mary and Walter had a son John Shand FOWLIE and he married a lady called Nettie ...? A slim chance of a connection?
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Reference: STUART family and Walter FOWLIE
Good morning, I had expected to get back to you on your query a few days ago, but as you probably know, answers can get quite complicated in family history. Simple answer to your question is yes. Walter (1859 - ), appears as a 2nd Cousin of mine, 5 times removed. I have him in my 5,000+ Legacy database as marrying Mary Jane Stuart (1858 - ) on 31 March 1888 in Fergus, Wellington, Ontario, Canada.
After following a good number of leads, I found Mary's birth record with the Stuart name in ScotlandsPeople. However, her marriage record to Walter from FamilySearch (Ontario Marriages 1869 - 1927) shows her name as Mary Jane Stewart - handwritten registry entry available.. I imagine that the Stuart form is correct, but names do change as I have found with my own family name. The marriage record from Ontario shows her father as John Stewart and mother as Elizabeth Cassie.
Thank you for the lead on their son's name. I didn't have him in my records and have been chasing him down. Not an easy task and I haven't finished following all the connection to him yet. I did want to respond to you and ask about the Stuart /Stewart name. I have her with the first form and added the second form as an alternative. I would be interested to know how you handle her family name. Also happy to share anything on my Fowlie Family with you if you are interested.
Best regards.
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I found Mary's birth record with the Stuart name in ScotlandsPeople. However, her marriage record to Walter from FamilySearch (Ontario Marriages 1869 - 1927) shows her name as Mary Jane Stewart - handwritten registry entry available.. I imagine that the Stuart form is correct, but names do change as I have found with my own family name.
There was no such thing as 'correct' spelling until about the early 20th century.
I have a family in my tree who spell their name Stuart and Stewart at different times, quite randomly, in the second half of the 19th century, and they're not unusual.
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Thanks for the heads-up on the Stuart /Stewart name. Had wondered at various times if they were the same family. When I was born, there were two other babies born on the same day in the in the maternity hospital where I started this life. One of them was a girl and her name was Stewart or Stuart - can't remember which. For many years the three of us celebrated out birthdays together, then the families went their own ways and - wonder what happened to them.
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I'm a little interested in the Fowlie and Forbes names this may not be of interest but please let me know
Alexander MacDonald married Barbara Avis (Evans) one of their children was born 1.8.1843 names John Stuart Forbes MacDonald not looked anymore on this person as yet
one of Alexander and Barbara's daughters married Peter Barclay on 18.1.1845 and had 6 children naming one Mary Fowlie Barclay b 18.10.1846 Pitsligo and d 11.4.1914 she married a George Scott
also note the Stuart name
Elizabeth
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I'm a little interested in the Fowlie and Forbes names this may not be of interest but please let me know
Alexander MacDonald married Barbara Avis (Evans) one of their children was born 1.8.1843 names John Stuart Forbes MacDonald not looked anymore on this person as yet
one of Alexander and Barbara's daughters married Peter Barclay on 18.1.1845 and had 6 children naming one Mary Fowlie Barclay b 18.10.1846 Pitsligo and d 11.4.1914 she married a George Scott
also note the Stuart name
Elizabeth
In my experience it was common to use the various grandparent's family names as middle names for a child at that time, at least in that part of Scotland and perhaps the entire country. I would do some further research and see if those surnames come up further back on either side...but Forbes certainly is very common in NE Scotland...Fowlie not so much. Good luck!
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Thank you will have a look for more I see in your list of searches you have Milne of Kincardon
My husbands grt grandmother was Helen Milne Mearn from Trinity Road Brechin
Elizabeth
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I realize this is an old post, but I thought I would write anyway.
My gggrandmother was Sarah Fowley, born c1819, Sligo, Ireland. C1840, she married James Stuart (born c1815, Sligo, Ireland). They were in Ontario, Canada by 1851 (and possibly as early as 1842). Sarah's siblings were possibly: James (born c1821) and Ellen (born c1823).
Would you have any record of any Fowley's in Sligo, Ireland, please? Of course I would love to know more about Sarah's family, but I am also interested in finding out if my Fowley ancestors lived in Scotland prior to their arrival in Ireland. Thank you, Lisa
PS How do you pronounce your surname, please - fowl-lee or foal-lee
I've been pronouncing it fowl-lee.
Also, Stuart spellings were mentioned earlier. I've also seen it recorded as Steward. ;)
I record my Stuarts as "Stuart" for several reasons including the name being handed down as Stuart as a middle name for a girl (her mother's maiden name was Stuart - I don't believe the mother had any male siblings that lived past 5 years old so perhaps this was a way to carry on the name).
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Good morning Lisa,
It will take me a bit of time to sortout any connection that the Scottish Fowlie's have with your Sarah Fowley from Ireland. I have found some Fowlie's in Ireland, but the records are rather scarce.
Pronunciation of my family name is; in my part of the World - Fow-lee. However, pronunciation varies from country to country. Spelling of the name also varies and Fowley is a form that I have encountered now and again - amongst others. Stewart /Stuart same situation.
Please give me a few days to go look at what I have and then get back to you.
Hope all is well in your part of the World :)
Warren Fowlie
Aotearoa New Zealand
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PS How do you pronounce your surname, please - fowl-lee or foal-lee
I've been pronouncing it fowl-lee.
I had a couple of Fowlies in my tree. They also pronounce it fowl-ee
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Thanks for the Fowlie Family connection Lisa. I'll work my way through the records I have and will get back to you when I have more information.
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Hi Forfarian: It's nice to bump into you again. I haven't been on RootsChat for a long time; you were very helpful when I was last here. Thank you for your pronunciation. :)
Would you have any record of any Fowley's in Sligo, Ireland, please? Of course I would love to know more about Sarah's family, but I am also interested in finding out if my Fowley ancestors lived in Scotland prior to their arrival in Ireland.
Just to clarify: I didn't mean to imply that I would like any and all information about every Fowley in Sligo, I just wondered if there were any in Sligo. ;) ;)
Hi Warren Fowlie: After reading your reply, I believe you know that I was asking about Sarah but I just had to clarify my statement. When I reread what I wrote, it sounded to me like I was asking for full details.
When I started researching James' and Sarah's daughter, Dora, I didn't know anything about Dora's parents (including the fact that they were born in Ireland) nor did I know that she had any siblings. Nothing was ever mentioned about this side of the family so anything that I can learn is very interesting. I appreciate your time and effort that it will take to look through your records. Thank you for your reply, and for taking the time to look. I look forward to seeing a reply when it is convenient.
(Please know that I have become a very patient person and know how time-consuming researching can be - I don't mind waiting for a long time if it is not convenient for you right now). :) Kind regards, Lisa
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What is your source for Mary Fowlie Barclay marrying George Scott?
She is my 2nd Great Grandmother, and married Charles Scott on 23 Dec 1871.
Their 5th child, William Barclay Scott, is my Great Grandfather. He came across to Barre, Vermont, US, to join his Barclay cousins and uncles and work in their graniteworks, which became the famous Barclay Brothers.
Do you have more information on the Fowlie surname used as her middle name?
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Is Mary Fowler the daughter of Mary MacDonald who married Peter Barclay if so I come down the line from her first child Eleanor Munro
Elizabeth
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Sorry there Fowlie not Fowler I have a photo of Mary MacDonald Barclay with her husband Charles Scott and their family
Elizabeth
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Elizabeth, Yes, that's correct.
My Great Grandfather was William Barclay Scott, Eleanor's brother. So we are 'cousins'.
The only bits I have about Eleanor: she was born 17 Apr 1872, Pitsligo, and married a man whose last name was Foreman.
I'd appreciate any information you'd be willing to share!
I am in touch with two other cousins there in Scotland. Descendant of two other siblings, Charles and Alexander.
I have a wonderful photo album the family put together before my G-grandfather came across. There is a photo of Charles and Mary sitting in front of the home at Burnthill, and a formal photo of all the siblings.
-Wendy
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I will PM you
Elizabeth
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That would be good, thanks.
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Posted a PM to you with my email address
Elizabeth
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Welcome to Rootschat Wendy just noticed you only have 3 post
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If my PM doesn't sent come through contact me again here
Elizabeth
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Good morning ALL. I've been inactive on RootsChat for some time. Been occupied as everyone in the world with Covid. Happy to engage with anyone looking for information on their Fowlie ancestors; and variations.
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Hi,
I have a Fowlie connection, William D Fowlie, born in Aberdeenshire (can't make out the area), c.1836, m. 6 Nov 1863 Elisabeth Lawson (ggg aunt of mine) in Peterculter. He was a joiner on the 1891 census. There's a family grave including her in Peterculter cemetery, Aberdeen: "...And their Daughter ELIZABETH, Widow of W.D. FOWLIE, who died 2nd Nov 1910, aged 74 years." Sorry, that's all i have on him.
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Hello! I知 trying to add to my family tree, including a Fowlie line. My paternal grandmother was born Mary Wallace, to Alexander Wallace and Annie Henderson Fowlie. I知 not sure I have found the correct ancestors going back from there, but I think Annie痴 father was Walter Fowlie, born 1860 in Fyvie.
If anyone can confirm I知 heading in the right direction I would be grateful, as I feel I知 going down a rabbit hole and get overwhelmed with trying to figure out who痴 who!
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Hi Laura
Welome to RootsChat :)
Is this Annie's birth?
ANNIE HENDERSON FOWLIE
Mother's maiden name GRAY
1910
195 / 40
Foveran - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foveran
You can view Annie's birth registration online on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk It is pay to view but costs are very reasonable.
Monica
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When and where did Alexander Wallace and Annie marry? Cannot see a marriage on Scotlands People for them. Have you got this marriage registration?
Where did the name Walter for possibly Annie's father come from?
If the 1910 birth is the correct one for your Annie, there is a marriage in Forevan in 1909 with Fowlie/Gray:
James FOWLIE and Jeannie GRAY
1909
195 / 6
Foveran
Monica
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Any chance Alexander Wallace should actually be Andrew Wallace? There is a marriage for an Andrew W and Annie Henderson Fowlie in 1912 in New Deer, Aberdeenshire (ref 225 / 14).
There is a family tree here for the family of an Andrew Wallace and Annie Fowlie www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/5202342/person/524197521/facts This family tree is available to view on Ancestry, but you do need a subscription to A/try to view it.
1901 census for the Fowlies:
Walter Fowlie 40 Farmer b. Millbrex, Aberdeenshire
Agnes Fowlie 39 b. Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Alexander Fowlie 17
Isabella Fowlie 14
Georgina Fowlie 12
Charlotte Fowlie 10
Annie Fowlie 7 b. Millbrex, Aberdeenshire
Agnes Fowlie 6
Sarah Fowlie 6
Flora Fowlie 2
Gordon Fowlie 1
Address: Backhill Of Balquhindochy, Methlick, Aberdeenshire
Monica
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Burial details for Andrew and Annie here www.findagrave.com/memorial/213086205/annie-h.-wallace
Added: Birth registration for Annie:
ANNIE HENDERSON FOWLIE
1893
222 / B / 7
Millbrex
Monica
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You will be able to confirm full details on Annie's parents from her BMDs which you can download from SP.
Possible marriage for Annie's parents:
WALTER FOWLIE and AGNES HUTCHISON
1883
232 / 2 / 6
Boddam
Gravestone for them listed here www.findagrave.com/memorial/198308505/walter-fowlie
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Thanks so much for this! Chances are I have it totally wrong, I値l have another look at my tree and see where I got the info from. I think I値l have a bit of correcting to do!
The link to the tree you posted has some familiar names that I have in my tree also.
I really appreciate this, thank you 😊
Laura
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Apologies Monica, yes it should be Andrew Wallace not Alexander.
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The possible birth you have found for Walter seems to be the most likely, parents Alexander Fowlie and Elizabeth Salter. Walter's marriage and death registrations on SP will let you confirm and be confident in moving back to the next generation.
You are lucky with burial details for the family. This looks to be MI details for Alexander and wife Eizabeth www.findagrave.com/memorial/139229847/alexander-fowlie
Some details on connected Fowlies, siblings to Walter:
https://humphrysfamilytree.com/Noltie/fowlie.html
www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=204794
www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fowlie-141
Summary on Walter here www.ancestry.com/genealogy/records/walter-fowlie-24-5n2gkw
Monica
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Good morning Laura & Monica,
I am in start-up mode for 2023, so am just catching up with your latest posts. Annie "Henderson" can be a bit confusing as there are kind of four of her in SP.
FOWLIE ANNIE HENDERSON
F 1893 222 / B / 7 MILLBREX
FOWLIE ANNIE HENDERSON
F 1897 320 / 11 STRACATHRO
FOWLIE ANNIE HENDERSON
GRAY F 1910 195 / 40 FOVERAN
FOWLIE ANNIE HENDERSON
F 1920 259 / 25 FORDOUN
I have just found I only have two of them in the Fowlie Fx3 database I manage, so some work for me to do there. However, I think the one you are looking for Laura who married Andrew Wallace was born in 1893. Her parents were Walter Fowlie 1860-1917 and Agnes Hutchison 1858-1927. Walter's parents were Alexander Fowlie abt 1819-1888 and Elizabeth Salter abt 1922-1906. Alexander was my great great grandfather.
I have more details going back further if you are interested.
I am interested in your family line where it connects to the Fowlie line. Happy to provide more details as you need them.
Warren Fowlie
Fowlie Family Forum
Aotearoa New Zealand
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Thanks Warren,
Yes, that all sounds the same as I have in my tree, so hopefully I am on the right track then!
So, Alexander Fowlie would be my ggg grandfather, I知 definitely interested in learning more. I have tried to expand my tree, but I have so much that I need to check yet.
Laura
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Hi Issi,
Hope you are still monitoring this post. I have just gotten back into RootChat for the New Year.
I have read your post several times and can't quite put the details together with what I have in a Fowlie Family (Fx3) database. I will work on it and get back to you once I have it clear how William and Elizabeth fits into the rest of the Fowlie Family.
Thanks for passing on this information
Warren
Aotearoa New Zealand
Hi,
I have a Fowlie connection, William D Fowlie, born in Aberdeenshire (can't make out the area), c.1836, m. 6 Nov 1863 Elisabeth Lawson (ggg aunt of mine) in Peterculter. He was a joiner on the 1891 census. There's a family grave including her in Peterculter cemetery, Aberdeen: "...And their Daughter ELIZABETH, Widow of W.D. FOWLIE, who died 2nd Nov 1910, aged 74 years." Sorry, that's all i have on him.
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Hi Laura,
I will get back to you, but for now I need to go earn $$$$s to allow me to do me family research :)
Warren
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Hi Warren,
yes I'm still here :)
I've attached (or tired to) a snippet from the 1891 census, Govan, Glasgow. Their boarder, John Lawson Hay, is a nephew of William Fowlie's wife, Elisabeth. John L Hay is the clerk, not Elizabeth.
If you can work out where William Fowlie was born, please let me know, I first wondered if it was Fyvie but I don't think it is. It's possibly Tyrie looking at possible matches.
The 1881 census (I've just found) has him at 658, Govan Road, Govan, Govan Church, Lanarkshire, Scotland, as a ship model maker (!)
1871 census: 97, Govan & Renfrew Road, Govan, Govan Church, Lanarkshire, Scotland, ship joiner
Ha! Just found his death, 21/7/1903, 67 years old, William Duncan Fowlie, father Alexander Fowlie (miller), mother Isabella Duncan (domestic servant).
So he's probs this one:
First name(s) William
Last name Fowlie
Birth year -
Baptism year 1836
Baptism date 18 Jun 1836
Place Tyrie
County Aberdeenshire
Country Scotland
Mother's first name(s) Isabel
Mother's last name Duncan
Father's first name(s) Alexander
Father's last name Fowlie
Page 20
Archive Ref OPR 248/4
Year Range 1820-1854
Item 4
Record set Scotland, Parish Births & Baptisms 1564-1929
Hope this helps you :)
Hi Issi,
Hope you are still monitoring this post. I have just gotten back into RootChat for the New Year.
I have read your post several times and can't quite put the details together with what I have in a Fowlie Family (Fx3) database. I will work on it and get back to you once I have it clear how William and Elizabeth fits into the rest of the Fowlie Family.
Thanks for passing on this information
Warren
Aotearoa New Zealand
Hi,
I have a Fowlie connection, William D Fowlie, born in Aberdeenshire (can't make out the area), c.1836, m. 6 Nov 1863 Elisabeth Lawson (ggg aunt of mine) in Peterculter. He was a joiner on the 1891 census. There's a family grave including her in Peterculter cemetery, Aberdeen: "...And their Daughter ELIZABETH, Widow of W.D. FOWLIE, who died 2nd Nov 1910, aged 74 years." Sorry, that's all i have on him.
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Good morning Issi,
Thank you for your lead on William D. (Duncan) Fowlie. I did not have he or his family in the Fx3 (Fowlie Family Forum) database, so had to go hunting for them. The information you provided was very helpful in tracking down the family. I couldn't find a marriage for his parents Alexander Fowlie and Isabel Duncan, but their names are in the SP Index for William's birth.
FOWLIE WILLIAM
ALEXANDER FOWLIE/ISABEL DUNCAN
M 18/06/1836 248 40 / 40 TYRIE
In the 1841 Scotland Census he, age 5, is shown with his mother Isabel Duncan, age 24, at the home of her parents (his grandparents) in Blackhills, Tyrie. Use of her maiden name would suggest she wasn't married to Alexander? In the same 1841 Census, his father Alexander age 29 is with his parents at Croft of Artamford, New Deer.
In 1863, William age 27 (parents named as Alexander Fowlie and Isabella Fowlie, M.S. Duncan - now married?) marries Elizabeth Lawson age 27 (parents John Lawson and Margaret Laws)
Thank you for posting the original information. Showed me that the task of tracking down ancestors will never end, but we keep trying to find them all :)
Best regards, Warren
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This Fowlie Family topic was opened in 2018 and is active as at November 2023. If anyone is searching for Fowlie family, I may be able to help. PM me and I will happy to see if I can assist. There is also a private Facebook Group page named Fowlie Family Forum (Fx3) which I post to on a regular basis with family news and events. Happy to join any authentic Fowlie to the group if you are interested.
I do however recommend posting here to RootsChat as it has been a great source of ancestral family history for myself an others.