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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: MacGrigor on Thursday 26 April 18 12:34 BST (UK)
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Hello,
My grandad (now deceased) married in Brentwood in 1954, and I have the certificate. I heard that he had to be baptised before the wedding, so I wondered is there any record of this? The marriage took place on the 7th of January 1954 at the parish church. His name was Robert George McGregor, and he was born in 1928.
My grandma, born Barbara May Goddard, was born in Brentwood in 1931, and I would be grateful if any baptism could be found for her. My dad was born there in 1965, but I don't know if that's too recent for online records.
Also, my great-great-grandmother, Caroline Goddard, died in Brentwood in 1956. I'd appreciate any burial record or anything that can be found.
Sorry for the list!
Adam
Moderator comment: your father's name has been removed
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I'm aware there are regulations regarding living people, but my grandparents are both deceased, although my dad is still alive.
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Generally speaking, London parish records on both Ancestry and FindMyPast stop about 1920.
BY that I mean Greater London ;D
For anything later you need to visit the relevant local library, record office or archive.
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I thought it was a long shot. Thanks.
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Brentwood parish registers are held at Essex Records Office. They are viewable for that period on the ERO's pay per view site SEAX - see http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/ParishRegisters.aspx?selAlphabet=B&selParish=630&selChurch=631. You will need to purchase a subscription to view them, the cheapest is £10 for 24 hours (see site for details, I do not have a current subscription). It is possible he would have been baptised in the parish church but could be baptised at a non-conformist chapel or in another parish. The latest burial register they have covers the period 1886 to 1989 which suggests that later burials are more likely to be in a cemetery rather than the churchyard so you would need to look elsewhere.
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Thank you.
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Do you know if they actually lived in Brentwood or if it was Brentwood district? There’s no baptism for Barabara in 1931 or Robert George from 1952 to 54.
Unless they were catholic?
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Yes, they both lived in Brentwood and were Anglican. I know my grandma moved around a lot, including into what is now East London but was at the time Essex before moving back. My grandad was said to have been baptised before his wedding, but that was just something my mum told me.
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Barbara’s dad is recorded as Wallis richard Goddard on her marriage record. You’d have thought that was easy to find but no luck there either.
There’s a Barbara may Goddard born 1931 in billericay but think it’s the registeration district as there’s no baptism at the actual parish. Have also checked little and great warkey, shenfield, herongate, ingrave Parish registers. No luck there either.
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FreeReg may have the marriage of Barbara's parents (if they are her parents!)
1 January 1927, Shalford St.Andrew
Walter Richard Goddard + Eva May Thorogood
Possibly it's a brother of Eva, Charles Thorogood, who married at the same church later that quarter.
Residence for everybody is Village
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Billericaly is indeed the registration District.
Brentwood parish (St Thomas) itself is very small. Most parts of what is thought of as the town of Brentwood comes under either South Weald, Great Warley or Shenfield.
Have you checked South Weald?
PS Shalford is north of Braintree, would never be described as Brentwood. Maybe they moved later.
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Mention of Walter Richard Goddard, unemployed, Cressing Way, Braintree
Essex Newsman, 7 Nov 1931
That's just after the birth of Barbara.
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No ... will try that Lizdb. Thanks.
Jonw65 - no other Goddards around, so they may well have moved from Braintree, even though it’s a long way away.
Will check south Weald and come back.
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The other one to check would be Christ Church, Warley (as opposed to the parish churches of Great Warley and Little Warley, that you have already done).
This is situated in what would now be described as Brentwood, rather than in the villages of GW or LW.
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Map of Essex parishes:
https://www.esfh.org.uk/map3.php
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Her father was Walter Richard but yes it should be easy. I have her birth certificate and it was Billericay district but in Brentwood. Thanks for looking anyway!
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And yes, that is the marriage record of her parents. I have a copy myself.
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What address was she born at? Then we can see what parish that was in. (they may not have used that Church but it will be a starting point)
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I don't know exactly without checking, but she was living at 240 Ongar Road in 1954. My birth certificate for her is one of the old fashioned ones where the name, date, registration district (Billericay) and sub registration district (Brentwood) is visible. It's not the full thing.
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So, St Pauls Bentley would be another parish to check. Assuming that was where they lived when she was born too. (Put 240 Ongar Rd into google maps and you will see St George just up the road)
Not sure what you mean about the birth cert, do you mean it is a short one? IN which case it wont show her parents names .....
Suggest you get on to SEAX and start looking through these suggested parishes!
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Yes, it's a short one. But I have the full death certificates of her parents and their marriage record from Shalford, plus her mother's birth certificate in full. These have been in my house since my Nan died in 2009, so not one's I have bought personally.
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I have SEAX, so will start looking.
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Nothing in any of the bentleys or Wealds. Got down the billericay registration district as far as nevendon. Nothing there.
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Thanks for your help. My Dad's going out tonight so I'm going to look through the filing cabinet. He has all sorts of family documents in there.
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1929 electoral register has them living in The Village, Shalford (as per marriage cert).
First child?
March 1929 Braintree 4a 1376
Goddard, Philip R.
mother Thorogood
His death is registered same quarter.
And burial of Philip Robert Goddard at Shalford St Andrew, 23 March 1929
(index says age 0, don't know exactly what it says in the register)
Jonw65 - no other Goddards around, so they may well have moved from Braintree, even though it’s a long way away.
But if that newspaper report is accurate (and it seems to be the right person from what he was doing), then they were living in Braintree towards the end of 1931. Or at least Walter was!
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Argh!! Thought we were onto something there ... online records for shalford stop a5 1928!
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I never knew she had an elder brother! So sad to see he died so young. Her sister died in 1968. I don't know where the name Philip would've come from - probably just a nice name - but Robert would have been after his paternal grandfather, who adopted the name as a middle name - it was even used as his first name on Walter's marriage certificate.
And yes, the Goddards were always on the move. But at some point they ended up stopping in Brentwood before eventually moving to Rainham.
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His death is registered same quarter.
And burial of Philip Robert Goddard at Shalford St Andrew, 23 March 1929
(index says age 0, don't know exactly what it says in the register.
Aged five weeks 😢
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Sorry, it is St Pauls, Bentley. (not St George as I said)
St George in Ongar Road (near their address) is known as St George Brentwood.
See
https://www.stgeorgeschurchbrentwood.org/
but as it didnt open till 1934 she could not have been chr there in 1931!
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Quite elusive, isn’t she?
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Which Church was the 1954 marriage in?
I have been assuming Brentwood Parish Church i.e. St Thomas.
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Yes. Had to check. Looked at so many parishes, I’d lost track!
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Traditionally weddings were in the brides parish. But it is the groom who allegedly was baptised just before the marriage - do we know where he was living at the time?
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My Grandad was born at 132 Moat Road, in Wigston, Leicestershire, where his mother hailed from. His father was from modern-day North London. He was schooled in Brentwood, and at the time of his marriage was living at 2A North Road Avenue, Brentwood.
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Fairly central then. Surprised then that the alleged pre-marriage baptism was not also at St Thomass.
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It's all very confusing. I'm going to check the filing cabinet in a minute, there's baptism certificates and things in there.
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Fairly central then. Surprised then that the alleged pre-marriage baptism was not also at St Thomass.
Gap in registers 1950-2
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I wonder if the Family Story has got slightly contorted, and he was Confirmed prior to his marriage, rather than baptised.
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Yes, that's certainly possible. Then it's anyone's guess where he would have been baptised; his family moved around a bit too.