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I'm looking for the parents of William Taylor born 1803 - 1807 in gt budworth Cheshire. He married an Elizabeth Taylor in 1827 in Warrington. On the 1851 census they have a Margaret Taylor living with them she was born in Scotland about 1789 but can't prove whose mother she was.
Can anyone help?
Wendy
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Welcome to rootschat :)
Just for information the 1851 reference for anyone looking
HO107/ 2225 f548 p6 66 Jersey Street, Manchester
ADDED
3 Dec 1827 St Elphin, Warrington
William Taylor
Elizabeth Taylor
Both of the parish
Witnesses William Taylor & Isabell Tickle
The witness William is hopefully the father of one of them :)
There is a baptism in Great Budworth 20 March 1803 with father William, no mother listed for a William Taylor (familysearch) This needs further investigation as there appears to be another William Taylor bn GB around the same time
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Hi
Yes I have looked at this. Witness William could be Elizabeth's brother also. I found an Elizabeth born 1808 also a William born 1806 parents William and Elizabeth but can't prove it i have the correct one. The Lancashire online records have William and Elizabeth's marriage but no father's names. Apparently the early marriage certificates didn't have them on.
Don't know where to go from here.
Wendy
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The 1808 baptism for Elizabeth at St Elphin does look promising - same parish as your Elizabeth was married in.*
Her father William was a timber merchant so may have had some assets - perhaps worth looking for a will for him in case he mentions a daughter Elizabeth?
*Mind you, now that I look at it, there are a huge number of Taylor entries at St Elphin :)
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Another candidate baptism for Elizabeth (who was “30” in 1841; 41 in 1851):
1 Apr 1810, St Elphin, Warrington
Betty Taylor, daur of William Taylor (chair maker) and Margaret.
(I note that Elizabeth’s husband William was a chair maker in 1841 and on the baptisms of many of their children).
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Yes I looked at that one too. On the census record's there is about 3-4 years between them. So if she was born 1810 he could have been born around 1806-1807 so it rules out William 1803. William was born in gt Budworth Cheshire, Elizabeth was born in Warrington. So not sure where William would have been christened.
Wendy
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How many census entries have you got for William, and what are his birth details in each one?
I have seen:
1841 (Olliver St, Warrington): William Taylor 30 Chair m Y
1851 (66 Jersey St, Manchester): William Taylor 44 Joiner Cheshire Gt Budworth
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On 1861 census he's at Loom at and his age is 55.
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*Mind you, now that I look at it, there are a huge number of Taylor entries at St Elphin :)
It is the second most common surname in the country. Come to that I haven't found a Smith in my tree but have several Taylors with brick walls whenever I reach a William.
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On 1861 census he's at Loom at and his age is 55.
Sorry I don’t follow - “at Loom at”?
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It doesn't help that William married a Taylor so I'm searching for 2 lots of Taylor's. Very confusing.
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Should have read Loom Street
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Should have read Loom Street
Now found this (11 Loom St, Manchester) - his birthplace given as Warrington: RG9/2927/129/30.
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The 1861 for 11 Loom Street shows a James Taylor age 33 - Son in Law. Where does he fit in :-\
Do they have his surname wrong and he is the widowed father of the grandchildren listed
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Yes that's what I think because Elizabeth the daughter has disappeared presumably died.
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Yes avm228 I saw it said Warrington. I don't know why?
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If Margaret was born in 1789 the earliest she could have married would be 1805 so maybe William born 1803 father William is not my William. In fact my Williams father could be anyone married to a Margaret
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As I'm not getting any further with William Taylor born 1807 Gt Budworth i decided to have a look at William Taylor born 1835/36 my Gt Gt grandfather in Warrington he married Sarah Ann born 1836 Warrington. They had Elizabeth born about 1858 and James my Gt Gt grandfather born about 1860 in Warrington. They then moved to Brierley Hill, Staffordshire as they were there on 1861 census. They then had daughter's, Elizabeth born 1862 Astons Fole, Alice born 1864 Birmingham, Eliza born 1868 Wordsley and Emily born 1871 Kingswinford. I have looked for birth certificates for them to check mother's maiden name and i can't find their births registered.
Any help would be appreciated
Thank you
Wendy
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Hi,
As there are so many William and James TAYLORs about, can you please give us the first definite info you have about your Gt Gt grandfather James. Who did he marry? His marriage cert. or a census with his family and children would be really helpful :)
Hopefully we will be able to find him then :)
Regards,
Daisy
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Hi Daisy
My Gt grandfather James b 1860 in Warrington married Louisa Granger in 1887 at St James Church, Norton Canes. His children Elsie b 1888, Henrietta (Daisy) b 1889, James (my grandfather)b 1891and Florence(Doll) b 1894. James was on 1861 census in Brierly Hill. I'm trying to find his mother's maiden name. His father William was b 1835 in Warrington as was his mother.
Thanks
Wendy
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Can you please confirm that this is who you think is the family for your James?
1861
Class: RG 9; Piece: 2072; Folio: 96; Page: 53
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7X4-N2B
1871
Class: RG10; Piece: 3026; Folio: 56; Page: 36
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5TZ-ZMN
1881
Class: RG11; Piece: 2892; Folio: 53; Page: 33
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-2MGZ
If so then father William is a glass cutter, and by 1871 Sarah is a widow.
When James married Louise, what was his father's occupation?
Debra :)
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All you need to do to find the births of William and Sarah's children is to look in the correct registration districts and make a note of possible mother's maiden names until you find a common name for all of the children. The only matches that I can see is with the mother's maiden surname as DUNN.
It is likely that they married in 1855 in Manchester as the first two children were born there.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F9MQ-GYP
They are both aged 21 and William is a glass maker. His father is William TAYLOR, a joiner, her father is Dennis DUNN a weaver.
Debra :)
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This may be William's death registered in the June quarter 1870.
TAYLOR, WILLIAM
aged 36
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 124
In which case Emily was not his child as her birth was registered in the December quarter 1871.
It is important that you purchase birth certificates or find baptisms to confirm names, addresses and father's occupation.
Debra :)
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Hi Dundee
Yes this is my Taylor family. On James marriage certificate his father is a glass cutter but doesn't say he is deceased.
Yes I looked on gro for births and i noticed the name Dunn, I will go back to the Manchester births and double check those again.
I have I admit been looking at Warrington for the births and the marriage.
There are a lot of William Taylor's in Brierley Hill too because I did send for birth certificate for Emily registered in stourbridge and it was the wrong Emily.
Thank you for your help will go back and look again.
Wendy
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Hi Dundee
Yes Dunn seems to be the name quoted for all of the children so I will send for a birth certificate of one of them. Then I will send for marriage certificate.
Thanks
Wendy
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Hi Dundee
I now have James Taylor's birth certificate and his mother is Sarah Dunn his father William Taylor who is a glass cutter so that ties in with what I know about William. He was born at what looks like 2 Buller St, Manchester. I now have to find out more about Sarah's family. I have found 2 Sarah Dunns both with father's called Dennis and both from Ireland, so need to investigate this. I am going to also send for Emily's to see if her father is William.
Thanks for the help
Wendy
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Struggling with Sarah Dunn born 1834/36 Manchester. Father Dennis not sure of her mothers name. Married William Taylor 1855. Dennis looks like he was born in Ireland. On 1841 census there is a Dennis Dunn wife Catherine and on 1851 wife Mary Ann. I also can't find a birth record for Sarah.
Any help would be appreciated
Thank you
Wendy
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Have now got Emily's birth certificate and only her mother's name appears on it. So I guess William wasn't her father.
Wendy