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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: kassejayne on Saturday 28 April 18 12:33 BST (UK)
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does anyone else find it hard to find catholic records. I have been trying to find a baptism record for Norman Richard Parry born June 1925 in Liverpool He had a twin named Kenneth. I cannot find a baptism record for either of them. Or a death record for Kenneth who I am told died at an early age. I believe their mothers maiden name was Isaacs, I don't have a first name for her.
Has anyone else had similar problems
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Very few Catholic records are online. I understand that LancashireOPC are starting to transcribe some.
You will also probably have problems finding details of baptisms etc for the 1920's onwards online for any religion
You can get details of his mother by purchasing the birth certificate. Mothers maiden name is Isaac as per GRO index.
There appear to be several birth registration in W.Derby RD for Parry with mmn Isaac, have you tried looking for the family on the 1939 register
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This marriage would tie in with their births
June qtr 1919
Isaac Florence E
Parry Richard
Toxteth P. 8b 408
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Hi
The death for Norman Richard Parry gives a birth 6.7.1925 and there is a Kenneth Joseph Parry same quarter in West Derby.
They are both on the 1939 index
Ciderdrinker
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Kenneth Joseph
Last name Parry
Birth year 1925
Age 19
Death year 1944
Death date 08 Aug 1944
Number 14433845
Rank Private
Unit 2nd Bn.
Regiment Seaforth Highlanders
Grave reference V. F. 2.
Cemetery or Memorial Banneville-La-Campagne War Cemetery
Burial country France
Additional information Son of Richard and Florence Elizabeth Parry, of Liverpool.
The parents marriage is on Ancestry 20.4.1919 at Our Lady of Lordes and St Bernard
ps the family weirdly seem to be originally from Wales and Newtown Montgomery.
So less catholic records there,hint try FindMyPast Mochdre 1844 for great grandparents marriage.
Ciderdrinker
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Thank you both so much.Rosie and Ciderman. Norman Parry was my step father so was trying to find information for my step sister and brother. I knew Kenneth had died but thought it was when he was older......no wonder I couldn't find a death record for him.......I didn't know he died in the war...19 so young. I had just bought a family tree maker ancestry disc from Maplins to research this part of the family...only to find it was 2014 and no longer supported by ancestry but Mackiev. spent many hours to get it sorted as couldn't be activated only to be told that it can't be used online and need to pay Mackiev to update. I ended taking the disc back to Maplins and as they are going into receivership didn't want to refund. they did eventually but I wonder how many people are buying the disc only to find they have a problem.
I am going to save up for a subscription from ancestry. at the minute just using free sites which is limited when it comes to some records.
thank you both once again it is very much appreciated
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First of all, ask your local main library if they subscribe to FindMyPast or Ancestry or both? That way you can use the service for FREE! You might have to book time on there computers? Next, do you know if Norman Richard Parry married in a Catholic church? if so which one? They should have a record of where he was baptised, that's one good thing about left footers all there records go back to where they were originally baptised. Just like in Ireland, they need to prove you are not already married to someone ells.
Mary :)
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Hi Mary8 Thank you for the tip ..our main library has shut down. there are other smaller libraries so will check them out for access to ancestry and other sites. Norman was lapsed when he married my mother .......they married in registrar and I don't ever remember him ever going to church. I do hope Lancashire opc manages to transcribe some of the catholic records, its such a brilliant site.
Karen
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You may find this site useful?
Liverpool diocesan-archives (http://www.liverpoolmetrocathedral.org.uk/history-heritage/cathedral-diocesan-archives/)
Mary :)
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Liverpool Record Office has a lot of RC records. Ancestry put a lot of these records online as part of its Liverpool collection. You can't usually access online records that might involve living people on a lot of genealogy websites so you will find that the Liverpool RC baptisms on Ancestry end at 1906. You will probably need to visit Liverpool Record Office it has RC records after this date. You need to have a good idea of the area where the family lived then check to see what dates are covered for the churches in that area. Here is a link to the archive catalogue:-
http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/calmview/
Blue
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Hi Mary Thank you for the link I will certainly look into that
Karen
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Hello
You should have said .I assumed you were an experienced researcher sounding off about catholic registers after a long day at the coal face.
Richard Parry 13 Feb 1884 West Derby -24 Feb 1957 Broadgreen Hospital parents are George Parry 1847 Wolverhampton -Mar 1893 West Derby and Ellen Cornthwaite 1846 Garstang- Mar 1931 West Derby
Florence Elizabeth Isaacs 29.6.1894 West Derby -Dec 1971 parents George and Adeline Teresea Isaacs.
Richard Parry worked in a butchers and George Parry was a porter on the railway.
Trying hard not to break copyright rules and only give you stuff you can get for free.So some of the details are from a online family tree,(but I have checked them).
You could try Lancashire on line clerks and Wolverhampton history .org sites for free.
I'll see what else I can spot
Ciderdrinker
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Me again
George Parry married Ellen Cornthwaite at sT Annes 15.8.1869 ( a catholic one I'm afraid).
The Gro site will give their children for free.
Joseph June 1870 West Derby
Robert Mar 1872 Chorlton
Mary Ellen June 1874 West Derby
Margaret Dec 1876 "
Elizabeth June 1879
William June 1881
Richard Mar 1884
Ruth Sep 1886
George June 1889
The Isaac are protestant
George Isaac married Adeline Tereasa Caulfield 16.1.1882 at Edge Hill.
Fathers James and John Caulfield from Familysearch.
Children John Henry George Sep 1882 West Derby
James Frederick Dec 1883
Joseph Edward Dec 1884
William Claud Dec 1886
Violet Isabel Dec 1888 (Haslingdon)
Arthur Caulfield Mar 1890
Adeline Beatrice June 1892
Florence Elizabeth Sep 1894
Marion Robina June 1896
Mary Louise June 1898
Alfred Ernest Mar 1900
Norman Gerald June 1904
Edna Teresa June 1906
George Isaac was a book keeper born 1862 in Liverpool ,Adeline born Bushey Herts 1863.(looks like parents John and Sarah Anne Roach married St Jude 9.2.1860 in Liverpool though and looks like mother Sarah Ann is illegitimate using Roach and Alberson)
Ciderdrinker
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ciderman Thank you so much.
I have done a bit of family searching ....mostly through lancashire opc and bmd. we are fortunate to have online cemetery records which is a bonus..found some relatives through that. The Catholic side has been a problem as very few records available unless you have a subscription.
you help is very much appreciated
Karen
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Good Morning
Happy to help
I did manage to track down the copy of George Parry and Ellen Cornthwaite's catholic marriage.
It just gives the fathers Joseph Parry and Robert Cornthwaite.
Mom and Dad
Joseph Parry married Margaret Morris at Mochre Montgomery 26 .4.1844
Joseph Parry bach slather? Moughtrey Anthony Parry slather?
Margaret Morris spins same Richard Morris dyer
wit Richard Morris and Thomas Davies.
They had moved to Toxteth by 1851
Hampton St
Joseph Parry 29 lab Newtown Mont
Margaret 28 same
Margaret 6 same
George 4 Wolverhampton
Elizabeth 1 Wolverhampton
William Morris visitor 33 Newtown
Any help you need just ask
ps Joseph Parry s of Anthony and Margaret Parry slubber? at Newtown 28.4.1822
siblings John 9.1.1814 at Llanfynydd Carmarthanshire Glamsanen Mill card maker ,William Llanegwad Carmarthan wool comber Cwmgwynn 22.7.1816, David Carmarthen 12.10.1817 Backway clothier,Anthony 5.11.1820 occupation carder,Thomas at the Wesleyian Newtown 12/21 Dec 1823 carder ,and Mary Mochdre 28.11.1824 lab Lower factory.
Anthony and Margaret Williams married at Llanfihangel Cilfargen
Anthony yeoman of Llanfynydd and Margaret Williams of Llanfihangel Cilfargen 13.7.1813
wit Griffith and John Jones.
Margaret buried Newtown 4.4.1825 age 29 of Moughtrey
Anthony remarried at Mochdre 28.7.1826 to Jane Thomas.
Their children George 15.10.1826 at Newtwon carder,Martha at the Wesleyian 16 July /5 Aug 1828 carder,Thomas 14.11.1830 spinner Lllandysul,Richard 9.9.1832 same New Mills,Pryce Newtown 30.11.1834 carder and Jane 1.8.1841 New Factory Mochdre manufacturer.
Anthony buried Mochdre 29.10.1841 Lower mill Maughtrey age 61.
Sorry I got a bit carried away.
Ciderdrinker