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I am trying to find out what became of my Great Grandfather James Senior's sister who was called Emma Senior.
She was the daughter of Edward Senior and Mary Innis and was born in 1851 in Lanchester in Durham.
The last sighting I think I have of her is in 1871 when I think she may be living with a Margaret Grieveson in Gateshead. Emma is described as a cousin.
I don't know anything about the early life of Emma's Father Edward so I don't know about any siblings of his. I once tried to look up his marriage record at Durham archives but there were blanks for everyone's Fathers in the register where he married (All Saints, Lanchester). I was later told that it is the same on the marriage certificate. (All I know about Edward is that he was a gentleman farmer and then a publican of the Half Moon Inn in Durham. He appears to have been a man of means but I do not know where he got his capital from. However, when he died I don't think there was a will). ???
Emma's Mother was an only child.
I was just wondering if anyone out there may know what might have become of Emma, presuming that this is her on the 1871 census?
I would greatly appreciate hearing from you if you may know more or have any suggestions. I have been able to trace all her siblings - she is the only one who has me stumped.
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Emma was born in Fishburn by the looks of it - & she is there in 1851 aged 3mo in Edward & Mary’s large household: HO107/2384/616/20.
Birth reg: Emma Senior mmn Innis, Mar qtr 1851 Stockton.
Birthplace is Fishburn again per 1861: RG9/3737/67/2.
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At 20 in 1871 she was of marriage age but expect you have checked for marriages 1871-1881?
I sometimes look just for first name year and birthplace in the next census then check the marriages from the husbands name.
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and was born in 1851 in Lanchester in Durham.
Are you sure? I don't see any birth registration for an Emma Senior in Lanchester RD in 1851 :-\
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and was born in 1851 in Lanchester in Durham.
Are you sure? I don't see any birth registration for an Emma Senior in Lanchester RD in 1851 :-\
Not born Lanchester - see reply #1.
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Edward Senior was 40 b Middlesex in 1851, and 48 at death in Durham RD, Dec qtr 1858.
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Thank you for all these helpful posts. Sorry, I got mixed up. It was her parents who married in Lanchester. She appears to have been born in Fishburn, which I think was in Stockton. I am not familiar with these Durham areas.
I have not got my notes to hand but I am sure according to a birth notice she was born on 3 January 1851 according to a newspaper birth notice. This birth registration will be correct as her Mother's maiden name was Innis.
Actually, I need to amend something on my first post - I have been able to trace all the male siblings. I don't know what became of her sister Mary Louisa Senior either.
I have not been able to find a likely husband but this could just be down to my researching. :-\
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Thanks for helping. I have noticed that Edward was recorded as from Middlesex but I do not know about what family he came from - his early life. I think he must have come from a family with money perhaps to be able to have a large farm and then to go on to buy the pub. He became the vice president of the licensed victualler's association and died after a short illness according to newspapers. Buried at St Oswalds, Durham. His son Charles Edward seems to have (mysteriously) died in a hotel in Newcastle. He was buried in Gateshead and was described as a 'Gentleman' on the burial register.
I am just throwing this open on RootsChat now - just on the off-chance that there may be someone out there who already knows the answer to what became of Emma.
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An Edward Senior born 14 Aug 1810 was baptised at St George Hanover Square on 2 Sep 1810.
Parents: William & Isabella.
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Can't find anything on Emma or Mary Louisa :(
Edward may have had a sister Louisa bap 9 Oct 1803 parents William & Isabella
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Thank you very much avm228. I do believe that these will most likely be his parents. I wonder how Edward went from being in Middlesex to getting to Durham. I do wish the census had started much earlier. I would love to know more about William and Isabella! Edward's family background is very much a mystery. ???
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William Senior, Esq, of Southall Green left a will (1821, proved 13 Oct 1825) in which he made various bequests to:
Wife: Isabella (also executrix)
Sons:
William (“eldest”)
George (also an executor)
Thomas
Edward (“youngest”)
Daughter: Louisa Senior
Executor: James Senior the younger, of Broughton House, nr Tring, Herts.
Some of the provisions of the will related to property at Bruton St, St George Hanover Square, and a business carried on there.
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She appears to have been born in Fishburn, which I think was in Stockton. I am not familiar with these Durham areas.
Useful place-name website :)
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/11114/Search-Results?SearchType=PlaceAtoZ&SearchStart=A
Fishburn fell within Stockton Registration District but it was actually in Sedgefield Parish.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lz8/
Click top right under 'Related Information' for a map of the parish.
Fishburn is actually some 12 miles north of Stockton itself.
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Here's a link to Durham
Marriage Louisa Senior 3 Jan 1833 to William Watson solicitor of the parish of Gainford? in the county of Durham
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Thank you Millipede. It does seem as though Emma has just fallen off the face of the earth after 1871. ::) Many thanks to you for trying to find her for me. I think Louisa sounds a likely candidate for his sister. I wonder if this is why his eldest daughter was called Mary Louisa? Perhaps after his wife and sister? There is a seven year age gap between Edward and this Louisa you mention. I wonder if there were more siblings or perhaps just the two of them?
I wonder who this Margaret Grieveson was (1871) and how she and Emma are recorded as cousins? Or perhaps 'cousin' is just a throwaway term given to the census taker?
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At 20 in 1871 she was of marriage age but expect you have checked for marriages 1871-1881?
But is it the same Emma in 1871? It says she was born Lanchester, and now we know that the Emma being looked for is from Fishburn which is some 20 miles from Lanchester :-\
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There is a seven year age gap between Edward and this Louisa you mention. I wonder if there were more siblings or perhaps just the two of them?
See reply #11.
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My goodness! This has taken my breath away avm and Millipede!! :D. You seem to have extended my knowledge of my family tree somewhat! I think that this must be where Edward's capital came from.
Also, thank you Jen for the helpful links. You are always able to find helpful links. I really appreciate this :)
RootsChatters are amazing! Can't wait to share these new developments with my family. :D
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Death:
At Kennington, Isabella, relict of the late William Senior, Esq, of Southall-green, Middlesex, aged 75.
(Oxford Journal, 22 Feb 1845).
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Death:
At Kennington, Isabella, relict of the late William Senior, Esq, of Southall-green, Middlesex, aged 75.
(Oxford Journal, 22 Feb 1845).
Death reg: Isabella Senior aged 75, Mar qtr 1845 Lambeth 4 184.
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Isabella Senior of Charles St Camberwell (formerly of Park Place, Ealing) left a will (30 September 1843, proved 19 Feb 1847) dividing her estate between:
My son Edward Senior
My daughter Louisa Watson
My granddaughter Louisa Elizabeth Wilkinson
Executors:
Son-in-law William Watson, of Barnard Castle in the County of Durham, gentleman
Martin James Wilkinson of Charles Street, Camberwell, gentleman
Witnesses: William Watson junr; Jane Wilkinson.
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Wow! Thank you so much avm! I did not expect to get all this good fortune this afternoon! I do appreciate this so much. :D
Yes, Jen I think the 1871 Emma is likely not my one now. As you can guess, I have hardly been able to keep pace with my replies to all these helpful posts. :o :D
It seems like William must have been quite comfortably off to leave all these bequests!
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Martin James Wilkinson (manufacturer) was the husband (marr Ealing 5 March 1839) of Louisa Elizabeth nee Senior, daughter of William Humble Senior who presumably was William & Isabella’s eldest son William.
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I wouldn’t write off the 1871 Emma just yet. The family did have a Lanchester connection, and cousin Margaret may not have had precise knowledge of Emma’s birthplace when the household schedule was filled in.
With Grieveson and Innis both being Scottish surnames, I wonder whether any link is in the maternal line.
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atm - As you can tell I can hardly keep pace with your posts! I am sitting here reeling! I have had quite a long tiring week at work but the information today which you have sent has given me a huge lift.
I did not expect to receive such a gift today - to find so much out about Edward's family! I am so excited and thrilled and can't thank you enough!! Amazing finds! As I say, I can't wait to share all this with my family.
Many, many thanks to you and all who have sent helpful posts on this thread! :D
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I wouldn’t write off the 1871 Emma just yet. The family did have a Lanchester connection, and cousin Margaret may not have had precise knowledge of Emma’s birthplace when the household schedule was filled in.
Yes, you're quite right. Interestingly, given Emma's father's trade, in 1871 Margaret Grieveson was a publican, and in 1881 is living (just up the road from me) in Alston, with her son in law and daughter, the former being a Master Brewer :-\
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I will take on board this advice and not rule out the Margaret Grieveson link.
In my previous research I have found that Emma's maternal Grandparents were William and Mary Innis. William seems to have had a pub in Durham called 'The Bluebell'.
Many thanks. :)
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I have just checked the GRO records for the son of latter Margaret Grieveson mentioned earlier in the post.
His name appears to have been Henry John Grieveson if he is the one who was born in Gateshead in 1854. Mother's maiden name is given as Dodds.
I believe Edward Senior's wife's Mother was called Mary Dodds before she married William Innis.
So there could be something in Margaret Grieveson having been a relation on the female side. :)
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Looking on freebmd I think George Gill (Margaret Grieveson's) son-in-law probably married Mary Jane Grieveson in 1869 in Gateshead. Perhaps this is her daughter Minnie on the census in 1871.
When I get time I think I will have to look for this marriage to find who her Father was and who Margaret's husband was.
I can't find Minnie's birth though. Suppose one option is Margaret may have married twice.
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Yes, Margaret Grieveson is with George and Mary Jane Gill in 1881.
Tricky to find before 1871.
I think this child may be a clue (for reasons I will explain in the next post):
Thomas Weatherburn Grieveson, born 3 Apr 1857 and baptised 20 May 1857 Gateshead.
Parents: Robert and Margaret Grieveson.
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The reason I think Thomas Weatherburn Grieveson is key is because of this possible baptism for Margaret:
Margaret Dodds, born 3 Oct 1821 and baptised 28 Oct 1821 Gateshead.
Parents: Thomas Weatherburn Dodds & Jane.
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Thomas Wetherburn Grieveson (an actor) married Mary Brown in London in 1883, naming his father as Robert Grieveson, publican, deceased.
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Yes I was thinking Mary Jane could be Minnie in which case
Birth Sep 1854 Durham from Free BMD
GRO have two births** for a Mary Jane Grieveson Sep 1854 Durham
One has MMN Walker and one has no MMN
**Correction the one with no MMN is Grievson
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The death of Robert Grieveson aged 40, Mar qtr 1861 Gateshead, may be relevant.
Buried 3 Feb 1861 Gateshead.
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Could this be anything - 1861 transcribed as Grierson
Margaret 34
Robert 12
Mary Jane 9
Joseph 7
Margaret Ann 5
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Looks interesting :)
Likely marriage:
Jun qtr 1850 Newcastle upon Tyne 25 395
Robert Grieveson
Margaret Dodds
on the same page.
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Robert Grieveson, innkeeper of Gateshead, died 31 Jan 1861; his will was proved on 13 May 1861 by his widow Margaret Grieveson of High St, Gateshead. Effects under £300.
A newspaper notice said that he was “son of the late Mr John Grieveson, of Darlington” (Durham Chronicle, 8 February 1861).
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1851 census
Margaret Dodds 67 U Proprietor of Houses b Gateshead
Robert Grievson 31 nephew Railway clerk b York Hankswell
Margaret Grievson 29 clerk's wife b Gateshead
Eleanor Lalene visitor 25 married b Lanchester
Address Brecken Beds, Gateshead
William
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Great find, William :)
Newspaper reports show that Robert Grieveson was running the Half Moon Inn, Gateshead, by Oct 1857.
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Probate calendar has this in the calendar for 1874
15 September . Administration with the will of the effects of Margaret Dodds late of Derwent Crook in the Borough of Gateshead in the County of Durham Spinster who died 18 Jan 1856
at Derwent Crook was granted at Durham to Margaret Grieveson of the " Waverley" Hotel 66 Pilgrim Street... and Mary Walker of Low Fell... Widows the Nieces the Resisdual Legatees.
Note some 20 years after her death.
William
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Oh my goodness! These are great finds! This is amazing! The Waverley Hotel in Pilgrim Street is actually where Charles Edward died - the youngest son of Edward and Mary Senior Nee Innis! I have long been wondering what the connection might have been for him being in this hotel - and sadly dying here as a young man
I am so grateful for all this help. So many doors have been opened for me on this thread.
Thank you - this is amazing! :D
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This is just additional to say you have all really made my day with these very helpful posts today.
You have expanded so much on the backgrounds of my bloodline ancestors Edward and Mary! :D
Now when work permits, I will have a bit of searching to do at the archives to look forward to. :D
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To help other researchers who may also been interested in the Senior/Dodds/Grieveson families I am now going to post some marriage information which I have been able to find:
Mary Jane Grieveson and George Gill married at St Mary, Gateshead
22 December 1869
George's age was recorded as 22 - Mary Jane's age as 'Full'
Abode for both was 'Half Moon Lane'
Fathers:
John Gill - Gentleman
Robert Grieveson - Auctioneer
Four witnesses:
John Gill
Emma Senior (my ancestor! :))
(William?) (...ness?)
Edwin S (Frank?)
All signed
Margaret Dodds and Robert Grieveson married at St Ann, Newcastle upon Tyne
Entry 110
8 April 1850
Both 'Full Age'
Robert recorded as 'Railways Clark' (sic)
Fathers:
John Grieveson - Publican
Thomas Dodds - looks like 'Surgeon'. Staff member at Tyne and Wear Archives also agreed that this looks like 'Surgeon'
Witnesses:
Thomas Lloyd and (John?) Wheldon
All signed
By licence
I think Emma and Margaret Grieveson must have been cousins once removed. I think that Thomas Dodds must have been the brother of my bloodline ancestor Mary Dodds who married William Innis and whose daughter Mary married Edward Senior. This latter Mary was an only child according to a marriage notice I found for her and Edward.
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Thomas Weatherburn Dodds, b. Heworth 1799, son of Thomas Dodds and Ann Weatherburn, who married Jarrow 1796.
Thomas and Ann look to be too young to be the parents of sisters Mary (who marries William Innes) and Margaret (who leaves money to nieces Margaret Grieveson and Mary Walker), unless they were from an earlier marriage for Thomas.
Thomas Weatherburn Dodds marries Jane Dodds 3 Feb 1821, Newcastle All Saints.
So I suspect Jane Dodds may be the link to Mary and Margaret, rather than Thomas.
Several baptisms/burials of children of John Dodds (Colliery Viewer) and Mary Parkin/Perkin in Gateshead, including a Jane, Mary, and Margaret of the right age.
Alan.
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Thanks for your post Alan. This is a lot to get my head around with all these Dodds, but I am going to try to work out the links.
I think I am starting to understand something and I then just get bamboozled again. ??? I would so love to work this family out and I appreciate you trying to help me with this.
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Thank you Alan, I think I have got my head around this now. So of the siblings Jane, Mary and Margaret - daughters of John and Mary. ...
Mary would be my bloodline ancestor who married bloodline ancestor William Innis
Margaret is the spinster sister who leaves money to her nieces
Jane is a sister who marries Thomas Weatherburn Dodds who both become the parents of Margaret Dodds who marries Robert Grieveson
Margaret Grieveson nee Dodds has a son named after her Father called Thomas Weatherburn Grieveson who becomes an actor
Margaret Grieveson's daughter Minnie may have been named after Aunt and Mother - Mary Jane
So Margaret and Emma are cousins and Mother's are Jane and Mary respectively
Does this sound about right?
According to marriage record Margaret Grieveson's Father Thomas was a surgeon. I wonder when he died and if there may be any newspaper reports of his life as a surgeon?
Also, I wonder who were the parents of Mary Walker of Low Fell?
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I think thats right.
Thomas Weatherburn Dodds was buried Lanchester 22 Feb 1848, aged 48.
1841 census Lanchester,
Thomas Dodds, 40, Surgeon, Y,
Jane “. 40, Y
Eleanor”, 15, Y,
John “, 12, Y,
William “, 10, Y,
Jane “, 5, Y,
HO107/301/17/18/21
1851 census, Pitt St., Westgate, Newcastle,
Jane Dodds, head, wid, 55, Annuitant, b. Gateshead,
John Dodds, son, 22, Engineer, b. Hartlepool,
Jane Dodds, daur, 17, b. Hartlepool,
William Lawrie, gson, 8m, b. Edinburgh
HO107/2404/114/37
I think the Eleanor Lalene, 25, b. Lanchester, living with Margaret Dodds and the Grievesons in 1851 is probably Eleanor Lawrie.
A marriage 27 Feb 1849, Newcastle All Saints, Eleanor Dodds, daughter of Thomas Weatherburn Dodds, and Thomas Lawrie, son of William Lawrie.
Also in 1841 census, Derwent Crook, Gateshead.
Margaret Dodds, 50, Ind, Y,
Margaret Dodds, 20, Y,
HO107/296/11/12/19
I think thats Margaret Dodds (Grieveson) with her Aunt Margaret. Aunt Margaret was of Derwent Crook on the Probate Record. I think they are in the same property in 1851, just all properties are down as Breckonbeds, which is the name of the village. John and Mary Dodds are "of Breckonbeds" at the burial of their daughter Ann Parkin Dodds, Gateshead 1798.
Alan.
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The "Mary Walker of Low Fell".
1881 census, 7 Prospect Terrace, Low Fell,
Mary Walker, Head, wid, 67, b. Killingworth, Northumberland.
RG11/5041/102/45
Tracing Mary back through census, her husband was Nicholas Walker, a Stone Mason, born Chowdene. Some of their children can be found on the GRO with mothers maiden name Dodds. On the same page on FreeBMD Sep 1838 Chester le St., Nicholas Walker and Mary Dodds. They are in Chowdene in 1841 census, then move to Northumberland.
2 baptisms at Longbenton St. Barthlomew :
Born 5 Aug 1812, bap 15 Nov 1812, Mary Dodds, 1st daughter of John Dodds, Publican, and Jane formerly Doxford.
18 Sep 1814, Jane Dodds, daughter of John Dodds, Inn Keeper, and Jane, of Killingworth.
John Dodds married Jane Chaters, a widow, formerly Doxford, Longbenton 22 July 1812.
Jane Dodds (jnr) marries William Moor Newcastle Mar 1840, first child John Dodds Moor, Sep 1840 Tynemouth.
In 1871 census William and Jane Moor and family are in Hetton le Hole. In their household is a niece Hannah Walker, 21, b. Newcastle, who is the youngest daughter of Nicholas and Mary Walker.
There is a John Dodd, son of John Dodd, baptized Gateshead 11 Mar 1781.
A burial at Gateshead 4 July 1828. John Dodds, age 49, of Killingworth in Longbenton.
Alan.
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Hi Alan,
Thank you so much for all this information. This is fantastic. :D You have given me a lot to chew over. Looks promising that 1841 Thomas is a surgeon and there are Lanchester links!
I am glad to hear that you think I am on the right track with understanding all these relationships. However, I will slightly amend what I wrote in the last post to say that I think Margaret Grieveson and Emma must have been cousins once removed if Margaret Grieveson's Mother was Jane and Mary Innis nee Dodds was the sister of Jane, maternal Grandmother of Emma and Mother of Mary Senior nee Innis.
I really appreciate all this help you have given me! :D
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The will of John Parkin, Yeoman of Gateshead, 1803. Refers to the rents from some of his properties to be divided “equal and among John Dodds the Younger, Margaret Dodds, Mary Dodds, William Dodds and Jane Dodds, my grand children and children of of my son in law John Dodds of Derwent Crook in the parish of Gateshead, Viewer of Collieries”.
Alan.
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What an amazing find! I am extremely grateful for this. I feel with all this information this branch of my family tree is really coming to life for me.
Where did you come across this will, Alan? Thank you so much for posting this.
William Innis was landlord of the Bluebell Inn in Durham and after his death wife Mary had a pub called the Shepherd's Rest. I wonder if part of her inheritance was used for this. Later Edward Senior had this pub and then sold it and moved to the Half Moon Inn in Durham where he was the landlord until his death. He was buried at St Oswald on the same day that his youngest son - Charles Edward was baptised there. Last year I went to visit this pub and the Church with my sister-in-law. It was quite a memorable visit which I will never forget.
When I first started this post I was looking for Emma. Although, I haven't found out yet what became of her (and her sister Mary Louisa) - It is incredible the wealth of other related information which has been uncovered. I am over the moon with this all!
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The Durham Diocese Wills project. Hope this link works. A collaboration between Durham University and Familysearch.
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
I think there must be a family connection between Thomas Weatherburn Dodds and his wife Jane Dodds. Lots of Colliery Viewers on both sides - Chief Engineer/Colliery Manager.
Their fathers are both Colliery Viewers in Gateshead area, both fathers have brothers who are Colliery Viewers in Longbenton area.
On John Dodds Marriage License to Mary Perkins, 28 Nov 1778, John is a bachelor, Coal Viewer of Washington Parish, age 30 and upwards. Bondsman is a William Dodds, Coal Viewer of Longbenton Parish.
A burial at Longbenton 30 Aug 1799, William Dodds, 63, bachelor, Viewer, Longbenton Colliery. So I would guess that is Johns brother.
Thomas Weatherburn Dodds father Thomas was a Colliery Viewer on his baptism, and his uncle Ralph Dodds was Viewer at Killingworth Colliery, gave George Stephenson of Rocket fame his first engineering job, and made a joint patent on a steam engine with him.
See an obituary for Thomas Weatherburn Dodds younger brother Isaac (if the link works). The date of the Hebburn Pit disaster is wrong, but most of it is corroborated on other websites. Isaac became a noted engineer in his own right, as was his son, another Thomas Weatherburn Dodds.
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Isaac_Dodds
Alan.
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Alan, this is absolutely fantastic! You have given me so much to go over and read. I really can't thank you enough! You have really brought this side and their connections to life for me. :D
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This is a button which is in my memorabilia items. The inscription on the front is 'British Railways' and on the back is 'Gaunt' and 'London.'
Sorry the image is not great. Although, it is hard to tell from the image, the button is a lovely silver colour. This button became mine after the death of my Mother and before I started on my genealogy hobby.
So unfortunately, I do not know the history behind this button. However, I know from the census that my Great Grandfather James Senior (son of Edward) worked for the railways as did his brothers.
All the railway connections posted by Alan, reminded me of this little button which I have. :)
My Great Grandfather James died in 1919. I do wonder if this button may have belonged to him or another ancestor or whether this is totally unconnected to the senior family.
I do wonder what the date of this little button might be?
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For the benefit of those who may also be researching this family tree - this past week I have found the marriage of Eleanor Dodds mentioned by Alan on earlier post:
All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne
27 February 1849
Entry 354
Thomas (Laurie/Lawrie?) & Eleanor Dodds
Both Full age
Bachelor & Spinster
Thomas was a 'Miller'
Abode for both: Pilgrim Street
Fathers:
William (Laurie/Lawrie?) - Miller
Thomas Weatherburn Dodds - decd. Surgeon
Witnesses: Robert (?) & Margaret Dodds
After banns
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I have also found marriage of Mary Dodd s mentioned by Alan:
St Andrew, Lamesly
Entry 24
August 6th 1838
Nicholas Walker and Mary Dodds
His age: 28
Her age: 25
Bachelor and Spinster
Nicholas was a 'Mason'
Mary: 'No professional's is recorded
His Abode: Chowden.
Her Abode: Chowdon Foot
Fathers:
Matthew Walker: Pitman
John Dodds: decd. Agent
Witnesses: Edward Watson & Margaret (Dodds?)