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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: DeniseBS on Saturday 28 April 18 22:36 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am researching for friends of mine. Their family were the Boyles from Clonmel, Tipperary. I can find them on the 1911 census no problem, but no matter what I try I cannot locate them on the 1901 census. Are parts of Tipperary missing from the 1901 census?
The family are James and Mary Boyle with children Mary 1887, John 1889, Michael 1891, Bridget 1893, Patrick 1894, Catherine 1896, James John 1898, Ellen 1900. The parents and the first five childern were born in Limerick (Tervoe for the children). Catherine, James and Ellen were born at Marlfield just outside of Clonmel. The next child born after the 1901 census was born in Irishtown, Clonmel.
I have looked for them in both Tipperary and Limerick in 1901 with no luck. James Snr was a gardener.
Any suggestions appreaciated.
Thanks
Denise
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Hello Denise,
I have looked at 1911 for Irishtown - there is an Irishtown Lower and Irishtown Upper. The DED is Clonmel West Urban.
1901 does not have these Townlands and the list is considerably shorter in 1901 than 1911.
I also checked a few names from 1911 Irishtown lower and they are not in 1901 census.
It looks to me as though there are missing sections. :-\
Heywood
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Hi Heywood
Thank you for your quick reply. I thought I was going nuts. Nice to have someone else confirm what I was beginning to think.
Regards
Denise
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Is this the family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Clonmel_East_Urban/Davis_Road/817041/
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Yes that is the family I am working on. Just wish I could find them in the 1901 census.
Cheers
Denise
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Found Irishtown Upper (see top right corner)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003916200/
Paste the link into this page and you can move up and down the images
http://www.irelandgen.com/tools/census_nav2.php
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Think I have them
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003916260/
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That is fantastic. How did this work? Does it mean that they were not indexed but you found them by looking directly at the film? There does not appear to be an address on the sheet. Did you find them in Irishtown, Clonmel?
I had missed Bridget as she wasn't on the 1911 census with her parents, but was a live in servant elsewhere. I wanted to make sure I hadn't missed any other children.
Thank you so much Sinann. Rootschat solves the problem again.
Thanks
Denise
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There is a lot of film in the 1901 Census that isn't picked up by the search so you have to go through the film image by image, got lucky with this one sometimes it can take ages.
James is at number 56
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003916201/
The address is on the top of the page of the first link I posted.
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Address
Burgagery Lands West, Irishtown Upper
Think that should be the other way around
Irishtown Upper is the street
Burgagery Lands West is the townland.
Clonmel
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Hi Sinann
I missed the blue bar at the top with next and previous on it the first time I pasted the URL into the tools page, silly me. Have found them on the summary sheet now.
Thanks again so much. My friend's Dad is 91 and his health has taken a turn for the worse so the more we can find for him on his family the better. He remembers visiting his grandmother, Mary Boyle, in Limerick when he was a child. His mother was the daughter born two years after the 1901 census.
Thanks
Denise
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Glad I could help, that search tool makes it a lot easier so thanks to Shane Wilson
http://www.swilson.info/wp/?p=2105
This site for Limerick has some good links you might find useful
http://limerickslife.com/limerick-family-history/
Edited to correct Shane's name.
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Thank you again Sinann
I have found the house in Irishtown, where the Boyles were living, on Google Maps. So able to show Bill where his mother was born. I had though Irishtown was a suburb. I did not realise it was a road.
Thanks too for the Limerick link.
Cheers
Denise
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I am so glad that Sinann knew what to do :) and you now have them.
Thank you Sinann.
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Well.... I'm amazed. I have been researching this family today and whilst chatting with another RootsChat poster who had just had great help with a puzzle she was having, I clicked on Ireland and then Tipperary and within a few seconds, I ended up here! I could hardly believe my eyes.
I'd found the 1911 census and the birth of Ellen Boyle and it had greatly extended what I knew prior to today, so to find this thread, well, I'm very grateful to the original poster DeniseBS and to Sinann. I realise this was from last year but maybe one or both of you will see it.
I really must look more into using RootsChat as I'm embarrassed to say I've had a log in for years but have rarely looked at it.
Thanks again
Linda
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Thanks so much for point out how to find Irishtown, Clonmel residents in the 1901 census. Found a whole family of Conways that was "missing".
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;D
and welcome to RootsChat.