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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Topic started by: HmmS336 on Sunday 29 April 18 17:36 BST (UK)
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I am wondering if there is a register or something for more recent graves. My gr grandmother is buried on the Isle of Man, where she had a long and happy marriage to her second husband. I think its entirely possible that her husband will be buried with his first wife. Deaths of both were in the 60's. Now that I am writing this I am wondering if she is buried with her first husband in England?
Any ideas how to find out either way?
Thanks!
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Did your gr grandmother leave a will? If so then it's a possibility that she request where to be buried or cremated.
JJ
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Thanks, I shall investigate that. Is it a different procedure for Isle of Man for probate etc?
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If you post her details on here maybe someone can help you.
I would not say it is usual for burial wishes to be on a will though you may be lucky.
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I think I will try firstly other members of the family see if anyone knows - though if I recall correctly my gr grandfather wanted an unmarked grave. So if she lies there, then I am none the wiser other than knowing the church graveyard!
I found a clip from a newspaper that she left some money, it mentioned Rolls Office ? I have spotted the probate department.
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You mention newspaper clip. Local papers often have announcements of deaths and funeral arrangements - perhaps this might give you at least the cemetery. I will probably be getting a subscription to the local papers through the imuseum in 2 or 3 weeks time. If you post details I will check for you. Alternatively someone else may be visiting the museum sooner and can check for you.
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If you post the names and dates, I will take a look for you, in the Burial Indexes.
(I live on the Isle of Man ;D)
The Isle of Man has a separate jurisdiction from either England/Wales or Scotland.
So there are different databases to look up - not all of which are online.
Isle of Man probate is usually searched at The Registeries - a copy of a will is £2.50.
The Registeries are at the end of my road - so a short walk for me!
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Thanks both - after the newspaper hint went back and looked at all the clips I had taken when I short sub. There it was it! She was Cremated in Liverpool and there was a memorial service in St George.
So I think they were each buried (or interred) with their first spouses- which makes sense of course. Both were widowed, as an aside my gr grandmother had two silver weddings!
Some times you need to say things out loud to someone (or in this day and age - post/email) to clear your thoughts or get an understanding.
A copy of her will be good though - can we arrange this, please.
Can I ask about the house they lived in - if its still there? I have friends coming over so the could take a picture if they are in town.
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If you post names, dates and the address I'll see what can be done.
Was probate in England or the Isle of Man?
The Isle of Man isn't a part of the UK - so different procedures apply.
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Thank you, Yes probate in Isle of Man, assumed as the others listed in the newspaper snip all lived there.
She is Sarah Annie Cain died 2 Jan1960 , Spring Valley, Douglas.
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ManxBMD has her death:
1960, Cain Sarah Annie, Age 89
District Douglas, Vol 476, page 3592
Nothing found in Douglas Borough Cemetery - but not a surprise if she was cremated?
Nothing in Braddan Cemetery, either.
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yes that's her death. She died on the eve of her 90th. Not sure why I wrote 2nd Jan it was 31st!!
Just looked - her husband was 2nd Jan but in 63!
I will assume that ashes were either scattered or stayed in England after the cremation.
Thank you for looking
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Wills since 1950 can be searched, in person, at the Probate Registry in Douglas.
As I said before, it costs £2.50 per will.
I am happy to look for you, if that is what you want.
The Probate Registry opens from 9am to 4:30 pm (4pm on Fridays).
I will be away from Friday to Tuesday, so I can't do it then.
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I've been doing some digging! ;D
Sarah Annie Jaggar, born Oxford 1870.
Married (1) Alfred James Oxford, 1896, Burton Upon Trent.
Married (2) Richard Cain, 1924, Burton Upon Trent.
The executor of her will was step-son James Mylchreest Cain, MHK (died 1981).
Son: Frederick Charles Oxford (b 1899) of Kenya
Daughters:
Edith Annie Oxford (b 1901), of Vancouver, Canada
Mary Frances Gilmour (b 1903), of Liverpool
Margaret Jane Morris (b 1909), of Taunton
Georgina Ethel Nicholson (b 1912) of Basingstoke
2 Granddaughters mentioned, but I won't name them in case they are still living.
Richard and Sarah's address was "St Helena", Spring Valley.
I suspect this has disappeared under the Spring Valley Trading Estate? (B&Q, PC World, etc).
There were bequests to 3 others, including her doctor.
One of these lived in the same terrace as I do now ;D
MHK = Member of the House of Keys; the Manx Parliament.
Local equivalent to an MP
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Thank you for the update - i will message you if ok about the grand daughters.
Thanks a lot.
Hmm
PS you only just missed out on a one of my aunts - she was a marvellous 102 years old when she passed!
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This is all great, thank you. Sarah Annie Cain's ashes were scattered in the Parish of Walton on Trent, Derbyshire on the 11th Feb 1960. The parish entry states she was of The Isle of Man and aged 89. Hope this helps.