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Title: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: philrmoon on Sunday 29 April 18 20:40 BST (UK)
Hi trying to find a birth of a Michael john biddiscombe from Bridgwater or wells in Somerset

About 1947

Died in 1994

Any information of his parents please


Regards Phil
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: groom on Sunday 29 April 18 21:28 BST (UK)
   
Michael Biddiscombe
Birth   
22/04/1947
Death   
08/1994 Sedgemoor Somerset England

I can't see a birth registered then.
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: suzard on Sunday 29 April 18 21:33 BST (UK)
I can't find a birth reg for him -only the death reg as groom posted
There are 2 marriages for Michael J Biddiscombe in the area -one in 1969 and one in 1977 -if either of these are the correct person then the marriage cert would give father's name and witnesses names may help too

Suz
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: groom on Sunday 29 April 18 21:34 BST (UK)
Do you know his parents' names - could he have been born before they married?
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: mazi on Sunday 29 April 18 21:42 BST (UK)
There is also an obit. in the bridgewater mercury for m j biddiscombe, but on 14 Dec 2016 aged 66, maybe there were two.

Mike

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Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: groom on Sunday 29 April 18 21:58 BST (UK)
There is also an obit. in the bridgewater mercury for michael john biddiscombe, but on 14 Dec 2016 aged 66, maybe there were two.

Mike

Must have been as there is one in the 2005 electoral registers, who can't be philrmoon's as he died in 1994

Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: mazi on Sunday 29 April 18 22:00 BST (UK)
There are very likely wife and children still alive so I am a bit wary of this.

Mike
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: groom on Sunday 29 April 18 22:02 BST (UK)
There are very likely wife and children still alive so I am a bit wary of this.

Mike

Yes, you are right, I've changed my post to remove details.
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: suzard on Sunday 29 April 18 22:24 BST (UK)
I think possibly this is the birth reg for Michael J Biddiscombe
Birth reg FreeBMD
Michael J Witts  mother's maiden name Biddiscombe Jun qtr 1947 Bridgewater 7c 174

It looks like his mother was Kathleen Mary Biddiscombe birth reg Dec qtr 1926 Bridgewater mothers miden name Saunders 5c 412

Kathleen Mary Biddiscombe marriage reg Dec qtr 1944 Bridgewater 5c 368 spouse Frederick A R Witts

then there is a marriage Sept qtr 1949 Bridgewater Michael Samotyj married Kathleen M Witts or Biddiscombe

Death reg
Kathleen Mary Samotyj born 18 Sept 1926 death reg June 1997 Sedgemoor

Death reg Michael Samotyj born 12 Dec 1918 death reg Sept 1979 Bristol Avon

I will see if I can find what happened to Frederick A R Witts

Suz
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: groom on Sunday 29 April 18 22:38 BST (UK)
   
Frederick Albert R Witts
Birth   
14/08/1923
Death   
11/1990 Sedgemoor Somerset England


It looks as if he remarried to Ivy M Stenson 12/1949 Bridgwater Somerset. In which case the first marriage must have ended soon after Michael was born. From his mother's next marriage when both names are given, I guess his mother reverted to her maiden name and that is why he was brought up using it.
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: suzard on Sunday 29 April 18 22:48 BST (UK)
It seems Kathleen Mary Biddiscombe and Michael Samotyj had 3 children -who would be half siblings to Michael J Witts/Biddiscombe - 2 of them are most likey still living  and then there was
Birth reg Kathleen M Samotyj mother's maiden name Biddiscombe Mar qtr 1952 Bridgwater 7c 121
and death reg Kathleen M Samotyj Sept qtr 1952 age 0 Bridgwater 7v 84

Purchase of Michael J Witts birth cert would show who was named as father

Suz
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: suzard on Sunday 29 April 18 23:01 BST (UK)
   
Frederick Albert R Witts
Birth   
14/08/1923
Death   
11/1990 Sedgemoor Somerset England


It looks as if he remarried to Ivy M Stenson 12/1949 Bridgwater Somerset. In which case the first marriage must have ended soon after Michael was born. From his mother's next marriage when both names are given, I guess his mother reverted to her maiden name and that is why he was brought up using it.

I think you are right Grrom -there is a report in Taunton Courier & Western Advertiser date 1 Nov 1947 -decree nisi Frederick Albert Roy Witts of 13 King George Ave Bridgwater against Katharine (should be Kathleen) Mary Witts on the grounds of misconduct

Suz
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: philrmoon on Monday 30 April 18 00:53 BST (UK)
Hi thanks

I have found out Mother's maiden name was saunders

Thanks for all your assistance

Regards Phil
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: suzard on Monday 30 April 18 01:39 BST (UK)
I think you may have missed a generation

Michael's mother was Kathleen Mary Biddiscombe and her parents were Albert James Hugh Biddiscombe and Lilly Louisa Saunders

so they were his grandparents - maybe they brought Michael up?? and that is why he was known as biddiscombe

Suz
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: suzard on Monday 30 April 18 02:12 BST (UK)
Maybe this will help

Marriage after Banns 29 Jun 1913
St John the Baptist Eastover Bridgwater
Albert James Hugh Biddiscombe 21 bachelor occ mariner 40 Monmouth St father Albert Biddiscombe (deceased) occ Private in Army
Lily Louisa Saunders 20 spinster 40 Monmouth St father Henry Saunders occ labourer
witnesses H Saunders & B M Saunders

it loks like they had 6 children between 1913 & 1931
their daughter kathleen mary Biddiscombe was born 1926
Kathleen mary Biddiscombe married Frederick Albert Roy Witts in 1944
the marriage did not last and they divorced Nov 1947
Michael J was born earlier 1947 and was registered as Michael J Witts mothers maiden name Biddiscombe
It seems Michael J was reared as Michael J Biddiscombe
Kathleen remarried in 1949 to Michael Samotyj
they had 3 children together but one died in infancy
Kathleen's parents (and Michael John Biddiscombe's grandparents ) died in 1968 and 1970
Death reg Albert james Hugh Biddiscombe b 1891 died 1968
Lily Louisa Biddiscombe (nee Saunders) b 1893 died 1970

Hope this helps you to piece together your tree-it is a little complicated

Suz
Title: Re: michael john biddiscombe
Post by: groom on Monday 30 April 18 08:54 BST (UK)
Hi, yes, I agree with Suz’s summary, it is complicated and I think as well that you have missed a generation and it was his grandmother who was a Saunders, not his mother. Where did you get the information that his mother’ name was Saunders?

Given also that the marriage broke up so soon after Michael’s birth, you really need to try and find the reasons given for divorce, it could be that there were doubts about Frederick Witts being his father.