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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: wendymac on Monday 30 April 18 14:28 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am struggling to find the right Mary ???? Who married William Hillier in Wilts approx 1780-1799.
I’ve search and there are a lot of them but which one is mine I’ve no idea.
I’ve looked at marriage records and Banns to see if there is any more information on the bride like
Fathers name etc, where she came from but I’m not getting anywhere.
George Hillier b. 1791 was there son and Mary had a daughter in 1799 - baseborn so where William went I’m not sure.
There are so many Marys married to a William Hillier I don’t know which one is mine and I’m really struggling.
I just wondered if anyone had any ideas how I can find the correct Mary.
Thanks. Wendy
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Where in Wiltshire was George (1791) born
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Hi,
Wilcot / Overton area.
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Is he the George that was baptised in Calne 1792 (born 1791)
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I’m not sure sorry. There’s 2/3 George Hilliers all born around July - Dec 1791. His birth entry is Wilcot but apart from that I don’t know. I’m so confused with the limited details on different entries I don’t know which one is the correct one. I don5 know anything about his fathers occupation I know I’ve seen a William who was a Collar maker and a William who was a carpenter but I’ve know idea which is the right one.
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Do you have George on census, if so where and when
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George is on the 1841 census in Honey Street Woodborough Wilts. He is with his young son William, a Mary Bishop and another man who’s name I can’t recall at the moment. His younger son Thomas was a few doors down with the Carpal family - I think with a nursing mother as George’s wife (Kezia) died 3 wks after Thomas’s birth.
George died in 1847 aged 57yrs at the Devizes workhouse ( I have his death certificate) the two young boys were left there after his death.
George married Kezia Chandler in 1836 in Woodborough. He was also previously married to an Ann Pearce from Stanton St Bernard in 1824 but sadly she died in 1829. Can’t find any children to Ann. There is another family within the same area with the same names etc so it’s quite confusing and also trying not to confuse the two family members.
Thank you for your time and help.
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Thank you for the explanation.
Baptism 1 Aug 1791 at Wilcot
George Hillier
Father William
Mother Mary
Abode -West Stowel
The Mary that had baseborn child Sarah was 'single' according to the transcript. Possibly the Mary Hillier who was baptised at Wilcot 17 Sep 1775 parents John & Mary of West Stowell :-\
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Thank you for that.
I did wonder if William had left or died that’s why Sarah was ‘baseborn’ and Mary was single.
Sorry I don’t know the areas but are Wilcot, Overton and West Stowell near each other or within each other if you know what I mean?
I really want to try and go back further on this family but with the information being so limited I’m really struggling. I’ve been trying for over 3 yrs to find Mary’s surname before marriage and also where she and William were born. It doesn’t help either with there being so many with the same names in the same area. ::)
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I don't know the area either, I have been using online maps to see where places are :) West Stowell is showing as next to Wilcot. ;D My Wiltshire interests are in West Wiltshire. :)
Genuki is always a good place to search - I normally just put Genuki followed by the place name into a search engine.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WIL/Wilcot
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Thank you so much x
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Hi Wendy,
I know the area quite well as my grandfather was from Burbage and I visit every so often still. I'm also the OPC for Easton Royal,Milton Lilbourne and Wootton Rivers. I had a look at the marriage of William and Mary Hillier you mentioned. Not easy! Hillier's a very common name in the Pewsey Vale (Grandad Alf's mother was a Hillier). I found four marriages from 1784 to 1793 which could be possible. Two in 1793 I disregarded as unlikely as they appear to have children within a year of the marriage in their marital village. These were William Hillier and Mary Brice in Collingbourne Ducis and William and Mary Cooper in Upavon. The third pair,William Hillier and Mary Gee in 1784 in Bromham, don't appear to have children unless they move away from the wedding place. The fourth is the more probable pair. These are William Hillier and Mary Neate in Bishops Cannings on 12 Sep 1785. Both were of the parish. They appear to have a son Thomas nine months after the marriage in Bromham. It's possible that they then moved to Wilcot but cannot be proved. George Hillier,as you know,was baptised in Wilcot on 1 Aug 1791. His parents are listed as living in West Stowell. West Stowell is a hamlet that's part of Wilcot. He appears to be their only child there.
I think it likely that William Hillier,the father,was baptised in Wilcot on 5 Dec 1769,the son of John and Mary of West Stowell. They also had a son John baptised in Wilcot on 18 Jul 1771 and a daughter Mary (19 Sep 1775). Mary is the likely mother of the illegitimate girl Sarah in 1799.
So Mary Neate is the best choice so far but not necessarily the right one. I've been through all the William Hillier/Hilliard/Helliers etc married to a Mary in the surrounding area so unless William's bride was from over the nearby border with Berkshire or they married in a non-con chapel, we're stuck with her at the moment.
Sorry I can't be of more help. Good luck!
Regards,
Linda
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Apologies for my mistake - Thomas Hillier,George's putative brother, was baptised in Bishops Cannings! I noticed that George called one of his sons Thomas too.
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Apologies for my mistake - Thomas Hillier,George's putative brother, was baptised in Bishops Cannings! I noticed that George called one of his sons Thomas too.
Thank you so much for all your time and information you have found for me. It is confusing though and not knowing anything definate I don’t want to follow the wrong family ::)
Yes, George did name his youngest son Thomas and Thomas is my great great grandad.
I am so grateful for what you have looked up though as I didn’t know about George having a brother though if this is the right family x X
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I will have a look though at what I can find out about Thomas - George’s “brother” and I’ll let you know if I come across anything :)