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Title: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Monday 30 April 18 23:04 BST (UK)
I am searching for details of Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN.

A Roseanna GAIN arrived in Port Chalmers (ex London 22 Jan 1880) on the ship "Araby Maid" on 24 April 1880 along with an Elizabeth Gain - relationship not known (Source Otago Witness 3 April 1880 pg 3).

Shortly after arriving in NZ Rose Ann Gain married Richard Champion (1880/2456).  Richard's first wife Ann nee Grigson died in 1878.

In the ER for Waikati for 1896 and 1900 Rose Ann and Richard were listed at Freehold Section 17030, Waimate.  Richard a farmer and Rose Ann, domestic duties

Rose Ann died in Christchurch on 14 May 1912 (Source Waimate Daily Advertiser 15 May 1912 pg 2) and is buried in the Waimate Old cemetery, Free Ground, Plot 0015FG000445.  Richard (died 1914) and his first wife Ann are also buried in this cemetery.

Grateful for any assistance to identify where Rose Ann came from or birth details - was she Irish?

I have checked the 1861 and 1871 UK census and couldn't find her, Paperspast and Familysearch.

Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Janette on Tuesday 01 May 18 01:12 BST (UK)
Age at death in 1912 was 70, so approx year of birth 1842

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Tuesday 01 May 18 02:19 BST (UK)

A Roseanna GAIN arrived in Port Chalmers (ex London 22 Jan 1880) on the ship "Araby Maid" on 24 April 1880 along with an Elizabeth Gain - relationship not known (Source Otago Witness 3 April 1880 pg 3).

Wendy

From my resources it is mentioned that Rose and Elizabeth were with family, not sure if that can be read as they were sisters and travelling together or were travelling with family members which is one of the passengers.

Not much help I know.  Perhaps tracking down Elizabeth to see if there is more information to be had.

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 01 May 18 03:34 BST (UK)
Given that Roseanna was born around 1842, she arrived in NZ aged 38. Elizabeth could have been her daughter.

I can see an Elizabeth Gain who married a Joseph Page in 1889.

Are you certain that Gain was Rosanna's maiden name, as opposed to a married name?

Jamjar
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 01 May 18 04:29 BST (UK)

 Perhaps tracking down Elizabeth to see if there is more information to be had.

Cheers
KHP

Hi Wendy

I tracked down Elizabeth GAIN earlier -  essentially because I had exhausted clues for Roseanna (Rose Ann) GAIN. 

I think Elizabeth was very likely the lady who married Joseph PAGE (a shipwright from Lyttelton)  in 1889.

Joseph PAGE (died 1915 ... and there are a number of obituaries written for him) came to NZ from Gloucestershire with his family around 1878 - in the Lyttelton tug boat of the same same.   Six children of his previous  marriage survived him.

Elizabeth GAIN seems to have been his second wife.  She died in 1913 at the age of 70 (... born circa 1843 ).    I found only a funeral notice for her.   Both she and Joseph PAGE were buried at the Church of England cemetery, Lyttelton.   Unfortunately no headstone(s) and I'm uncertain whether there are burial records available for that particular cemetery.

Will keep looking though.

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Tuesday 01 May 18 04:45 BST (UK)
Thanks Janette, KHP, Jamjar and Lucy2 for your postings.
I have been working back from Rosanna Gain who married Richard Champion do I don't know whether Gain is from a previous marriage or a maiden name - I have been wondering so will look at this angle as well.
I will see if I can find anything else re Elizabeth Gain/Joseph Page.
Thanks for all your help.
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 01 May 18 04:50 BST (UK)
Hi Wendy

... just in case you missed it (or our posts, crossed), I have added my findings for Elizabeth GAIN (  + Joseph PAGE) prior to your last post.

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 01 May 18 05:13 BST (UK)
Hi again Wendy

There were several different listings for the arrival at Port Chalmers of the "Araby Maid" in April 1880.

This one has the surname mis-spelled at "GAVIN" ... but does show that they were the "Misses GAVIN".
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18800426.2.3

Looks like there were only a small number of passengers aboard the "Araby Maid" and it may be that they paid their own fares to the colony ?     [I'm only guessing that.  ;D    But it may explain why there doesn't appear to be a passenger list (of the immigration type) for this particular voyage, ??]

    ~  Lu

Edited to add >  ... oops hadn't read all of that column but see now, further down, re: arrival of "Araby Maid", that it carried only 13 passengers.

Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Tuesday 01 May 18 05:18 BST (UK)

Looks like there were only a small number of passengers aboard the "Araby Maid" and it may be that they paid their own fares to the colony ?     [I'm only guessing that.  ;D    But it may explain why there doesn't appear to be a passenger list (of the immigration type) for this particular voyage, ??]

    ~  Lu

Looks like they did, for two of them it was £32.00.

Cheers
KHP

Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 01 May 18 05:22 BST (UK)
Hi KHP   ... do you have the passenger list image for the "Araby Maid" (January-April 1880) ?

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Tuesday 01 May 18 05:26 BST (UK)
Not the image, just the names of the passengers on the ship ;D  You want a sneaky looksy ;D


Cheers
KHP


Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 01 May 18 05:28 BST (UK)
Yes please if you can manage it.   ;)
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Tuesday 01 May 18 05:30 BST (UK)
All the passengers or the two Ladies?


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 01 May 18 05:48 BST (UK)
Just the two ladies please   :)     

[There were only 13 passengers in total according to the later report I found. ]

Cheers   
    ~  Lu
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Tuesday 01 May 18 05:50 BST (UK)
On it's way ;D


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 01 May 18 06:14 BST (UK)
Two births on GroUK, dates a tad off:

GANE, ELIZA mmn MIZEN  GRO Reference: 1841  S Quarter in THE-BRADFORD UNION  Volume 08  Page 251

GANE, ROSANNA mmn MIZEN  GRO Reference: 1844  J Quarter in THE BRADFORD UNION  Volume 08  Page 271

Jamjar
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Tuesday 01 May 18 06:14 BST (UK)
Thanks Lu and KHP.
Joseph Page's first wife Eliza died on 24 December 1886 in Lyttleton  (Lyttleton Times 29 Dec 1886, pg 2).
The 1905-06 ER for Lyttleton has Joseph Page at Old Governors Bay Road, Dampiers Bay, Lyttleton, Shipwright.
There is an "Elizabeth Blackburne Page" at the same address, presumably his wife.  So this adds another name "Blackburne" to the picture.  Was this her middle name, given that Elizabeth and Roseanna were "Misses" when they arrived in NZ?
Will keep searching to see what I can find.
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Tuesday 01 May 18 07:13 BST (UK)
Thanks Jamjar.
I have checked these out on Familysearch.  It appears that these are not the same people that I am looking for.  The Roseanna Cane you mention b 1844 appears to have died in 1875.  Also there was an English marriage cert for Eliza Cane.  Parents were William Cane/Mary Mizen.  There is also a family tree on FamilySearch.
Back to the drawing board.
Thanks again.
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Tuesday 01 May 18 07:24 BST (UK)
Elizabeth Blackburn Page's date of death was 22 March.  There is a picture of Joseph and Elizabeth attached to a tree at Ancestry.  BTW Joseph Francis has his names turned round.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Tuesday 01 May 18 07:35 BST (UK)
In case you are wondering Wendy, there is no further step ahead with knowing Elizabeth's birth place or parents mentioned.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 01 May 18 08:00 BST (UK)
Probably not at all helpful Wendy, but there is a coroner's file......

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23707127


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Tuesday 01 May 18 09:19 BST (UK)
Thanks KHP and Minniehaha.
I have contacted the Waimate Museum and Archives to see if they are able to assist and await their response.
I don't give up easily!
I will see if I can locate Elizabeth's marriage to ? Blackburne.
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: [Ray] on Tuesday 01 May 18 09:45 BST (UK)
Hi

[ Just in case you make a connection ]

There are also GAIN in Hampshire, based around Minstead, ElingCadnam, ( New Forest ), etc..

Basics would be . . . . .

Richard Gain (bbef 1754)
m
 
Ann (bbef 1759)
 children include
 
Ann Gain (b1777-1847 Minstead)
m 6/June/1797 Minstead
 
John Kent (b1772)
children include
 
Ann Kent (b1813 Minstead-d1838 Minstead)
m 1831
 
Moses Purkess (b1807 Minstead)
chiidren include
 
Harry Purkess (b1832 Southampton)
Moses Purkess (b6/Aug/1834 Minstead - d3/April/1909 Minstead)
John Kent Purkess (b1837)
 


Begs the question of who else is on that boat?


Ray

 

 

 
 



Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 01 May 18 09:59 BST (UK)

Can you list all the information on the GAIN - CHAMPION marriage document, 1880.

If you have reason to think she is from Ireland, the name might be GAHAN?
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Tuesday 01 May 18 10:13 BST (UK)
Thanks Ray - I will bear this info in mind.
Wivenhoe - I don't have a copy of the Gain/Champion m/c.  The only details I have are from the NZ DIA marriage index
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: shanreagh on Thursday 10 May 18 08:26 BST (UK)
Thanks Ray - I will bear this info in mind.
Wivenhoe - I don't have a copy of the Gain/Champion m/c.  The only details I have are from the NZ DIA marriage index
Wendy

Have done some searching. It seems that  Roseanna and Richard Champion did not have any children so we cannot get some clues from the names of their children.  Is that your understanding OP? If Roseanna was Irish the Irish do have a naming pattern and names of children can give clues.  Looked at some Irish websites and there are Gain/Gaine/Gane and Gavin names. I think you may need to get the marriage certificate. As long as the marriage took place after 17 ? January when the 1880 act came into force you should find quite a lot of information about parents and place of birth etc.   
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Thursday 10 May 18 08:50 BST (UK)
Thanks Shanreagh for your posting.
I had asked the Waimate Museum and Archive if they had any info that might assist.  The only info they were able to provide was on Richard from their Early Settlers Index.  Their index does however give Rose Anna's surname as "Pain".  I have not yet had an opportunity to check this out.
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: shanreagh on Thursday 10 May 18 12:11 BST (UK)
While Richard and Roseanna Champion did not have children, Richard and his first wife Ann Grigson Champion had several.
1865/15499   Champion   George Edward   Ann   Richard   
1866/21751   Champion   James Richard   Ann   Richard   
1870/31877   Champion   Charles   Ann   Richard   -   
1872/33085   Champion   George Thomas   Ann   Richard   -   
1874/21195   Champion   Mary Maria   Ann   Richard   -   
1876/9422   Champion   Esther   Ann   Richard

Had you thought of tracking some of the descendants of these and seeing if the wider family has more knowledge. The oldest would have been about 15/16 years old and so Roseanna would have been in their lives as a 'hands on' step mother for some time. Have you worked out the length of time between the arrival in NZ at Port Chalmers around 3 April 1880 (Assuming 22/1/1880 is the date they left London)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW18800403.2.45?end_date=31-12-1889&phrase=2&query=roseanna+gain&start_date=01-01-1839

and the date they were married in 1880.  I am not sure how yet but you can work out the date by looking at the registration number of 1880/2456.   

If it is only a short time then perhaps they were known to each other, or the families were, or she was employed as a governess and 'gradually got married'.

Richard born 1838 in Ewelme Oxordshire and first wife Ann born Raydon Suffolk.


Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 10 May 18 23:18 BST (UK)
Date of marriage for Richard Champion was 17.7.1880.


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 11 May 18 00:01 BST (UK)

 .... Roseanna and Richard Champion

   .... I think you may need to get the marriage certificate. As long as the marriage took place after 17 ? January when the 1880 act came into force you should find quite a lot of information about parents and place of birth etc.

Hi shanreagh

Just wanted to point out that although the "act" you speak of above, was passed in the year 1880, the additional details collected for marriages in New Zealand, did not come into force until  October 1880.

NZ BDM have now clarified this fact on their website >

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/timeline

So, only marriages which took place from October 1880, will have the additional information.
[The marriage of Roseanna GAIN and Richard CHAMPION had taken place July 1880 prior to the act coming into effect. ]

   ~  Lu

Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: shanreagh on Friday 11 May 18 03:45 BST (UK)
Thanks Lu. I did go by the BDM website and am glad they are clarifying it.  As my  nephew used to say when he was a little nephew
'oh poo'

However even the earlier one might have some interesting info eg under condition if this is a spinster marrying. 

Bride and Groom

When and where married
Name and Surname
Age
Rank or profession
Condition
Name of officiating minister (or Registrar)
When registered
Signatures

Signatures of bride and groom
Signatures of the witnesses
Signature of officiating minister (or registrar)

1851 UK census
Fanny Gane   Head   F   15   Farleigh, Wiltshire
Ellen Gane   Sister   F   12   Farleigh, Wiltshire
Eliza Gane   Sister   F   10   Farleigh, Wiltshire
Rosanna Gane   Sister   F   6   Bradford, Wiltshire

1861 UK census
William Gane   Head   M   57   Monkton Farleigh, Wiltshire
Eliza Gane   Daughter   F   19   Monkton Farleigh, Wiltshire
Rosana Gane   Daughter   F   16   Bradford, Wiltshire

father not there in the ear;lier census but is in later census.

he dies in 1874.
Name   William Gane
Event Type   Death
Registration Quarter   Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year   1874
Registration District   Bradford On Avon
County   Wiltshire
Event Place   Bradford On Avon, Wiltshire, England
Age (available after 1866)   70
Birth Year (Estimated)   1804

Only putting this up as the family has and Eliza and a Rose and a reason (Father's death) why they would be emigrating later in life. 
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Saturday 12 May 18 03:27 BST (UK)
Thanks Minniehaha, Lu and Shanreagh for your postings.
Roseanna arrived in April and married Richard in July 1880 - so barely in NZ 3 months!
Thanks for the UK census info.  I will see what I can find in the 1871 census.
I have requested a copy of the m/c of Elizabeth Gain who married Joseph Page in 1889, so this hopefully will provide information that I can use as a finding aid for info about Roseanna.
I have found some Public Family Trees on Ancestry but as a general comment I am a little weary about some of this info, being able to contact the authors and have them respond (another story and not for here).
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 12 May 18 05:32 BST (UK)
Hi Wendy

.. sending you a PM (personal message re:  GAIN).

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: shanreagh on Saturday 12 May 18 06:50 BST (UK)
Thanks Minniehaha, Lu and Shanreagh for your postings.
Roseanna arrived in April and married Richard in July 1880 - so barely in NZ 3 months!
Thanks for the UK census info.  I will see what I can find in the 1871 census.
I have requested a copy of the m/c of Elizabeth Gain who married Joseph Page in 1889, so this hopefully will provide information that I can use as a finding aid for info about Roseanna.
I have found some Public Family Trees on Ancestry but as a general comment I am a little weary about some of this info, being able to contact the authors and have them respond (another story and not for here).
Wendy

The short length of time leads me to think that the families may have known each other or   perhaps were known as people who would be suitable as tutors or home helpers.

Good move to get the later marriage certificate.
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Saturday 12 May 18 06:51 BST (UK)
Thanks Lu - I have replied to your PM.
Suggestions/advice very much appreciated.
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 12 May 18 08:01 BST (UK)
Thanks Lu - I have replied to your PM.
Suggestions/advice very much appreciated.
Wendy

Reply received thanks Wendy. 

Do keep us updated with your findings.   ;)

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Thursday 31 May 18 06:28 BST (UK)
Copy of marriage cert Joseph Page/Elizabeth Gain received today.  Details as follows:
Date - 16 January 1889
Place - St Saviours church, West Lyttelton
Groom - Joseph Page age 49 years, Shipwright, Widower, Dec 24 1886
Birthplace - Gloucester, England
Residence present/usual - Lyttelton - Lyttelton
Father - John Page - Carpenter
Mother - Elizabeth Page nee Wood
Bride - Elizabeth Gain age 46 years, Spinster
Birthplace - London, England
Residence present/usual - Lyttelton - Lyttelton
Father - William Gain - Silk Mercer
Mother - Catherine Gain nee Brady
Joseph Page and Elizabeth Gain both signed
Witnesses:
William B Gain, Waimate, Silk Mercer
Joseph Linart, Lyttelton, Railway employee
Adelaide Gain - sister of the bride

It appears that Roseanna, Elizabeth and Adelaide were sisters and William B Gain was their father.
Will do some checking.

Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Thursday 31 May 18 06:52 BST (UK)
Hi Wendy,

I wondered if William and Adelaide were family, when I came across their names earlier on in the search.   They both departed London on the 27 October 1883 on the ship Tongario, arriving Otago/Christchurch. 


Cheers
KHP

Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 31 May 18 21:02 BST (UK)
Super find earlier on your behalf, KHP (putting those pieces of jigsaw together, behind the scenes).  Well done.   :)

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: spades on Thursday 31 May 18 22:03 BST (UK)
Hi Wendy,

I haven't read your topic for awhile but have you considered contacting the Port Chalmers Museum? They hold a database titled Port Chalmers Early People, which is an excellent resource. If I remember correctly it is possible to contribute information as well.

So if your individual lived in or around Port Chalmers they might appear in this database.

Spades
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Saturday 02 June 18 05:00 BST (UK)
Thanks KHP, Lucy 2 and Spades for your postings.
Good guess about William and Adelaide Gain KHP.
I have checked Ancestry, Findmypast and Familysearch but have not been able to locate anything further, unless I have missed the obvious.
As William Gain was a Silk Mercer I also checked the Records of London's Livery Companies online but found nothing relevant.
I had not thought about checking the Port Chalmers Museum mainly because the family was around the Canterbury area - Lyttelton and Waimate.
I visited the Museum in 2014 - it is well worth a visit.
I am intrigued about "Blackburn(e)" used as a middle name by William and Elizabeth.  So far I have not been able to find out where this name came from - any thoughts?
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: wivenhoe on Saturday 02 June 18 05:14 BST (UK)
"...William B Gain, Waimate, Silk Mercer"  (witness at marriage)

Possibly this is B(LACKBURN)…...or B(RADY)?

What is your interest in this family. Are you related...….. to …..who?

What are these people doing in NZ.....all arriving at very adult age......and Rosanna marries so soon after arriving. I think the GAINs have family in NZ when they arrive.

From marriage certificate -

Father - William Gain - Silk Mercer
Mother - Catherine Gain nee Brady
Joseph Page and Elizabeth Gain both signed
Witnesses:
William B Gain, Waimate, Silk Mercer

Is this two different William GAINs....one has no second given name. William B, the witness is obviously alive...…..but he is not necessarily, also,  William the father?
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Saturday 02 June 18 06:16 BST (UK)
I wondered as well if they had family here before arriving.

William B. Gain, death date, 14 Jul 1893, Linwood Cemetery.
Cemetery:    Linwood Cemetery

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2154546/memorial-search?firstName=&lastName=gain&page=1#sr-142020682

Only way to find out if they are two different people or one, is to see if there is a death notice published, if family is mentioned.

Cheers
KHP

Just to add:  In my own research recently of family members going to the USA, some records were found with their single name and with their middle names.
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Saturday 02 June 18 22:43 BST (UK)
Thanks Wivenhoe and KHP for your postings.
I have no connection to this family.  My interest is that Roseanna signed the 1893 Women's Suffrage Petition and was from Waimate.  My maternal family is from Waimate.
In regards to there being one/two William Gains - I found from the NZDIA Death Index the following:
1893 - William Gain age 83 y born c 1810
1918 - Thomas William age 23 y born c 1895
1952 - William Richard age 71 y born c 1881
I have ruled out the last two as they do not appear to fit  age wise so this leaves William who died in 1893.
The 1890 ER for Canterbury, Akaroa has William Blackburn Gain, Selwyn Tce, Gentleman.
The next William Gain I found is one in the 1905-06 ER for Tauranga occ Saddler.  Based on area and occupation I have ruled this one out as well.
Roseanna Gain and Elizabeth Gain arrived in NZ in 1880 and William Gain and Adelaide Gain arrived in 1883, whether there were any other family members in NZ at the time I don't know at this stage.
Going back to details from the m/c for Joseph Page/Elizabeth Gain, I have not been able to find her birth c 1843 in London from the FreeUKBMD, Ancestry, Findmypast, Familysearch or census records.  I have yet to explore different spellings of her surname and whether she was living elsewhere at the time the census were taken.
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Saturday 02 June 18 22:50 BST (UK)
Thanks KHP for the link to Findagrave.
Friends of Linwood cemetery advise that sadly there is no headstone on William's grave so no further information there.
Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: starsista on Wednesday 04 July 18 09:04 BST (UK)
I have only begun looking into Roseanna GAIN, 2nd wife of my gg-grandfather Richard CHAMPION, today.  When I first heard about her it was when I heard about wife #3 Jessie DELVE and my friend who had looked into CHAMPION in Waimate for me, found nothing else on the wives, and she was an experienced researcher in the Waimate region and she gave me the name PAIN also. She also suggested it may be GAIN.

Searching Papers Past with names such as CHAMPION, DELVE and GAIN is no easy task with champion racehorses, delve[ing] into things and gain[ing] an education etc, they didn't choose easy names, however, at least they are not John SMITH!

Unfortunately I cannot help you at this stage, however I have ordered the printout of the marriage registration, which may, at least, show parents of Roseanna.

Thank you Wendy for starting this topic and Janette, KHP, jamjar, Lucy2, minniehaha, Ray, wivenhoe, shanreagh and spades for your input.  I will see what I can find now you have all given so much and will keep in touch here.

Jeni
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Thursday 05 July 18 09:01 BST (UK)
Jeni,
Did you read posting #29 re details of parents on their marriage registration?
They may however be recorded on her death registration!
Keep us posted on your research.

Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: starsista on Thursday 05 July 18 09:28 BST (UK)
Wendy

Yes, thank you, I read that post.  I have ordered the printout of the register which does have more information than any certificates.  I am aware there may be nothing more than what we already know.

I appreciate all the information already given, I had nothing, and now I have much more.  I will certainly pass on anything I find.

Jeni 
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: starsista on Tuesday 10 July 18 23:13 BST (UK)
Wendy

The marriage registration certificate for Richard CHAMPION and Roseanne GAIN has arrived, and as mentioned earlier, no parents, however a witness to the marriage was Elizabeth M V B GAIN, a spinster of Waimate.  This will be the sister whom Roseanne emigrated to New Zealand with.  Richard and Roseanne married at St Augustine's Church, Waimate.  Another witness was Joseph SMART, a railway servant of Waimate and the officiating minister was Charles COATES.

Jeni
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 11 July 18 02:51 BST (UK)
Just throwing these snippets into the mix.......

Funeral notice [1913] for Elizabeth PAGE:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19130322.2.65.1?end_date=31-12-1913&phrase=0&query=elizabeth+page+joseph&start_date=01-01-1913&title=AMBPA%2CAG%2CEG%2CGLOBE%2CLT%2CNCGAZ%2COO%2CCHP%2CSCANT%2CTS%2CSUNCH%2CTEML%2CTHD%2CWDA


Probated will of Joseph PAGE:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89Z7-8C1X?i=205&cc=1865481

Death:

1897/6293   Gain   Adelaide   46Y


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: starsista on Wednesday 11 July 18 12:17 BST (UK)
minniehaha

Thank you.  Are you connected to this family at all?

Jeni
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: starsista on Wednesday 11 July 18 12:50 BST (UK)
minniehaha

I will take a closer look at your information tomorrow.  I had a quick look tonight and have come across Joseph Francis and Eliza PAGE ms MEES living in Lyttelton, and they are the ones mentioned in the death notice and the probate and could not be the right Joseph and Elizabeth PAGE.  I have checked the probate and sure enough there is a daughter Annie Rebecca mentioned in the will.  Take a look here - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Page-3675 

oops, have just checked back and Lucy2 did mention this may be a second marriage for Joseph.  Tomorrow...

Jeni
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 11 July 18 22:37 BST (UK)
minniehaha

Thank you.  Are you connected to this family at all?

Jeni


Not connected at all Jeni....... :)


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: starsista on Wednesday 11 July 18 23:15 BST (UK)
minniehaha

As someone connected to the CHAMPION family, I do appreciate the effort you and the others have put into this.

Thank you

Jeni
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Tgapitbull on Wednesday 18 July 18 08:09 BST (UK)
Hi Jeni,
Apologies for the delay responding to your earlier post - I have been unwell.
Thanks for the Champion/Gain marriage registration details.  I went back and had a look at the marriage registration - witness details for Joseph Page/Elizabeth Gain.  One of the witnesses is a Joseph Linart, Lyttelton - Railway Employee.  There are some similarities between how the "L" and "S" (as in shipwright/silk) are written in the registration so wonder if the surname is Smart not Linart?   Although the "S" of St Saviours is very clear.
I did find in electoral rolls a Joseph Smart in Waimate in 1880 and in 1890 in Dampiers Bay, Akaroa - occupation Labourer.   The 1896 electoral roll shows a Joseph and Victoria Smart in Dampiers Bay, Akaroa.

Wendy
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: starsista on Wednesday 18 July 18 09:28 BST (UK)
Wendy

Sorry to hear you have been unwell.  I hope you're feeling better now, or on the road to recovery if not better already.

I see what you mean about Linart instead of Smart.  I read it as Smart and  it could so easily be Linart.  I am inclined to think it is Smart though.  In 1880, on the registration, he was residing in Waimate.

Archway has a Joseph Smart applying for Clerk of Works job at Waimate Hospital in 1878.  I also found there is an Inward Letters and Registered Files from the Resident Magistrate in Waimate in 1883, subject - Charles Bateman appointed Bailiff vice Joseph Smart resigned.  In 1892 there is an application for employment in Lyttelton.  In 1913 there was a Coroner's Request file in Canterbury for a Joseph Smart.  This Joseph is in NZBMD folio 1913/4623.  Archway have no mention of a Joseph Linart.  In searching on google I found Linart is a New England name.

Family Search have probates for 2 Joseph Smart's, one a Police Constable from Queenstown [1916] and the other a Brickmaker from Devonport [1905].

And checking my Kiwi Index from NZSG there is a Joseph Smart married a Victoria GAIN in 1878!  I got her forename from NZBMDs, folio 1878/1485.  In 1893 in the Women's Electoral Roll, Victoria SMART lived in Jackson's Road, Lyttelton.  I couldn't find probate for Victoria SMART.

Looking at Papers Past I find Victoria died 7 January 1913 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19130107.2.34?items_per_page=10&query=%22Smart%22+victoria+joseph&snippet=true 
She is buried in Sydenham Cemetery, Christchurch.  The Joseph died in July 1913 is buried elsewhere so he may not be her husband.  Now to find Victoria's husband.

Jeni
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: starsista on Wednesday 18 July 18 09:50 BST (UK)
Found!

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAG19130710.2.24.5?end_date=31-12-1913&items_per_page=10&page=2&query=%22Smart%22+joseph&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1913

Sad story, and he worked on the Railways at Lyttelton.  Must be the man who was witness to the marriage of Rose Anne GAIN and Richard CHAMPION also Elizabeth GAIN and Joseph PAGE. 

Jeni
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: starsista on Wednesday 18 July 18 10:09 BST (UK)
More information regarding the death of Joseph SMART
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19130709.2.56?end_date=31-12-1913&items_per_page=10&page=27&query=%22Smart%22+joseph&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1913

Haven't found any funeral notice and they may have kept that quiet under the circumstances.

Still looking.

Jeni
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 18 July 18 10:43 BST (UK)
Hi

Probable arrival of Victoria GAIN into Canterbury per "Conflict" departed UK 4 November 1875, arrived 29 January 1876.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X4XC-2Z?i=20&cc=1609792

GAIN - Victoria - 28 years - Governess - ex Co. Waterford

In the margin on passenger list, "Matron" is written alongside of Victoria's name (presumably she was the ship's Matron on that voyage ?) *

And ... at last ... a "native place" (Co. Waterford, Ireland) is given for this member of the GAIN family.  ;)

   ~  Lu

Edited to add -
  https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18760131.2.3.3

 *   ??  Article gives the name of another woman who was apparently appointed "matron" . ??
Title: Re: Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880
Post by: starsista on Thursday 19 July 18 01:00 BST (UK)
Lu

Thanks for this information.  I am sure that could well be Victoria who married Joseph SMART.  I wonder whether the GAIN family were all from Waterford.  There is not much information on them that I can find at the moment.  May need to go into town one day soon and check the library ancestry.  Find out the parents and other siblings etc.

I think I might check Joseph's brother mentioned in the article about his death.  Joseph is buried in Linwood Cemetery in Christchurch, near where he resided at the time of his death.  Victoria is buried in Sydenham Cemetery, also in Christchurch.  I haven't found children for them yet, maybe they didn't have any.

Jeni