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General => Technical Help => Topic started by: Calverley Lad on Tuesday 01 May 18 07:47 BST (UK)
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https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10/
Please be aware that although the above update takes minutes (5 in my case) this updates installs a new version of Windows 10 and takes a fair time to fully install. (2hrs 15min in my case)
You have been warned!
Brian
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Too late! ;D
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I have a Windows 7 computer but have not had any updates since last November?
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Not had that update, did you download it yourself, or did Windows just do it?
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Thanks for the warning :)
With our broadband speed these "feature" updates usually take most of the day :'(
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Like all the 6 monthly updates there will be a gradual rollout. You may get it today, you may wait a couple of months when you've completely forgotten about.
Simon
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The link was a result of a search of the Microsoft website.
Can't say when it will be offered as a general update!
Brian
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I have a Windows 7 computer but have not had any updates since last November?
I have Windows 7 too - I've had more than 30 updates since the beginning of this year. Some may not apply to you but there have been Security updates among the 30 + . What happens if you check for updates manually ?
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I have a Windows 7 computer but have not had any updates since last November?
I have Windows 7 too - I've had more than 30 updates since the beginning of this year. Some may not apply to you but there have been Security updates among the 30 + . What happens if you check for updates manually ?
Thanks Christine, I get a message which says "Windows cannot check for updates as the service is not running"
No wonder it hasn't updated for months ;D
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I have a Windows 7 computer but have not had any updates since last November?
I have Windows 7 too - I've had more than 30 updates since the beginning of this year. Some may not apply to you but there have been Security updates among the 30 + . What happens if you check for updates manually ?
Thanks Christine, I get a message which says "Windows cannot check for updates as the service is not running"
No wonder it hasn't updated for months ;D
I had a similar thing a while back. I usually try Googling the problem and looking at the hits which take you to the Microsoft Support pages. If you Google " Windows 7 cannot check for updates because the service is not running" you may find something to help. I'm not an expert and I find trying to deal with this sort of thing a bit scarey myself so I wish you luck .
Christine
Edit : I think this is the page that helped me but you will need to look for yourself or get help from someone who knows more :
https://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-7/cannot-run-windows-update-on-a-windows-7-pc/
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Many thanks for this Christine,but it is way above my head.
I will wait until someone is here to guide me.
Carol
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Carol: I would suggest approaching a neighbour with an technical bias ie teenager available or a local computer shop not one of the high street national stores. (hands on approach required)
Explain Windows 7 updates not working!
Check that your antivirus program is up to date at the same time.
Brian
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Well, prompted by this thread I did a manual update on my laptop (I always try to do the big updates on the laptop first to see if they work before updating the PC which I use mostly for business and can't afford to be without). It took about 2 hours to download on our 4Mb broadband. After about another hour it is 69% installed . . .
Mike.
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I won't be getting it anytime soon. My PC has been trying to upload an animalware security update for about a week now, with a que of other updates behind it. Cannot update the animalware thing and just sits there saying there is a problem. But I can't do anything with it. Apparently looking at google I am not the only person with this problem and at some point I guess MS might get around to sorting it. Until then I watch the little dots going up and down as it checks for updates before the error message appears again. The joys of Windows updates!
Kerry
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Mike: Best of look, might see your comments about supper time. ::)
Just stick with it, needed to run my laptop off power adapter as taking so long.
Brian
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Just checked my updates and it seems Windows has been updating in the background. I've updated Firefox without any problems and re-started my machine and now Windows is 82% installed. I've been using my laptop on and off throughout the day without any problems. It is a bit slow, but then again it's always a bit slow. Fortunately, my laptop is permanently plugged in so no likelihood of losing power.
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Mike: Best of look, might see your comments about supper time. ::)
Just stick with it, needed to run my laptop off power adapter as taking so long.
Brian
I left it to get on with it while I went shopping and did a few jobs outside. Eventually finished installing about an hour ago, so between 4 and 5 hours altogether - a good bit faster than the last one. And once I'd turned off all the "special features" I never use it seems to be ok 8) In fact I wouldn't have noticed any difference if it had updated on its own overnight.
Will comment further if/when I find anything interesting :)
Mike.
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I'm glad I raised the point as I have now managed to get my computer to start updates again.
I discovered that there is a troubleshoot link for Windows Updates and using that seemed to do the trick.
It is now in the process of installing dozens of updates that haven't been done since last November!
Carol
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Good on you carol :) :) :)
Brian
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I'm glad I raised the point as I have now managed to get my computer to start updates again.
I discovered that there is a troubleshoot link for Windows Updates and using that seemed to do the trick.
It is now in the process of installing dozens of updates that haven't been done since last November!
Carol
....and here is the Link to it!!
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/10164
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Good on you carol :) :) :)
Brian
Sorry to have hijacked your thread Brian,but your initial question suddenly made me think that I've not had any updates for ages.
Carol
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Good on you carol :) :) :)
Brian
Sorry to have hijacked your thread Brian,but your initial question suddenly made me think that I've not had any updates for ages.
Carol
I hadn't either, now I've had both the Firefox and Windows updates both downloading at the same time. All seems to still be working fine.
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I received the Windows 10 update on my work laptop yesterday, took about 5 hours which wasn't too bad, nothing like the last one. Now just got to sort this laptop at some point.
Kerryb
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It can be slow depending on how much Bandwidth it's allowed... especially with poor internet speeds
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My OH only has a tablet and can't update Windows because it hasn't got enough memory.
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It can be slow depending on how much Bandwidth it's allowed... especially with poor internet speeds
It's not so much the download, which you can adjust as Hallmark shows, but the prolonged installation with several reboots, which you just have to leave to get on with it . . . you would think a moderately intelligent programmer could find a way of updating quietly in the background ::)
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It can be slow depending on how much Bandwidth it's allowed... especially with poor internet speeds
It's not so much the download, which you can adjust as Hallmark shows, but the prolonged installation with several reboots, which you just have to leave to get on with it . . . you would think a moderately intelligent programmer could find a way of updating quietly in the background ::)
It has to write to Registers a couple of times....
I find it is quicker if I sign out...then hit Shutdown as no one is logged in. Then it does it's own thing while shutting down and then booting
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Had no throuble with the update. Two hours on the PC and 3.5 on the laptop.
Jamjar
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It has to write to Registers a couple of times....
Clearly a basic flaw in the operating system >:(
We can only hope Microsoft didn't design the software for the new F35 fighter 'plane. It could be a little troubling to get a message saying "The system will now shut down and may restart several times in the next few minutes." when you're trying to evade a missile at 1,200 mph ::) ;D
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I'm glad you put up this topic Calverley Lad as for the past 3 weeks I've had a problem with a security update not installing correctly.
It just sat there in the start menu waiting to screw everything up.
Saw this & thought maybe I should install this first & then the security update. Bingo.
It looks like I should have had the SU after the April build not before.
Cheers.
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As long as all who update are happy! :D
Total installation time will vary wildly as noted above.
I was using a 200Mb download system via Virgin Media, internet users via a telephone line could take many hours.
Good look to all Brian
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This update finally finished its stuff yesterday and apart from having to login to every site anew I thought I'd got off lightly. But today I find it thinks my year-old printer, which installed itself pretty seamlessly when I got the new computer earlier this year, isn't connected. Ho hum, time to RTFM.
Jane :-)
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To those not already on the latest version of Windows 10 (1803), this is now available for a general download today!
To those already downloaded, updated files available to correct some problems discovered since.
Brian
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I have had to totally rewrite the notes for using my scanner. The upgrade seems to have totally changed the interface with it. I have not yet discovered anything else that has changed so I suppose I'm lucky.
Martin
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Martin: If you go back into 'update history', click onto the latest Windows 10 you will see quite a few problems that have been sorted in this latest update.
Brian
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No problems with the large update and no problems with the new update files to correct whatever was wrong with the first update. Oddly, my OH couldn't download the large update to his tablet as it didn't have enough memory, but Windows downloaded the latest update to the update ::)
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I sometimes leave my computer on overnight, got on it this morning to find it had shutdown overnight which annoyed me as I had a couple of notes unsaved, haven't checked if it was for a update.
mick
Added Just checked updates and found 2 were installed overnight, Yet I also have a message that it wants me to restart now.
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I sometimes leave my computer on overnight, got on it this morning to find it had shutdown overnight which annoyed me as I had a couple of notes unsaved, haven't checked if it was for a update.
mick
Added Just checked updates and found 2 were installed overnight, Yet I also have a message that it wants me to restart now.
Just set it to not updating between certain hours.
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Sorry...Just set it to not restarting between certain hours.
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Thanks hallmark,
I have checked that
It was restarting outside that time which was the issue for me, normally I would see a notification that Windows is updating and so setup for it.
Mick
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Thanks hallmark,
I have checked that
It was restarting outside that time which was the issue for me, normally I would see a notification that Windows is updating and so setup for it.
Mick
If you're leaving on overnight you can stop it doing what it did.
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Just be aware that as we progress through the various versions of Windows 10, the older versions are no longer supported by Microsoft!
See the Microsoft website for further information.
On a good note Microsoft are developing a Windows 10 Lite, especially for those that have limited space available to do an upgrade. (Items like tablets)
Brian
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I notice MS have discontinued the Homegroup facility in this version. Although you can still use the printer from another PC it looks like MS are pushing customers towards using their cloud for file sharing, for a fee of course.
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My laptop is connected to the printer wirelessly and it stopped working, but once I went into Settings and Printers and clicked on the name of the printer and ticked a box that had become unticked during the update, it worked again.
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MS are pushing customers towards using their cloud for file sharing, for a fee of course.
Why would anyone want to do that? If I want to share a file with my OH, I just email it to his tablet, ditto photos etc. I guess in a company that's not practical, but I'm sure they must have Windows Pro (or whatever is available to them, probably at a larger cost than the typical home user). There are still ways of connecting home PCs even without using the Homegroup facility.
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I notice MS have discontinued the Homegroup facility in this version. Although you can still use the printer from another PC it looks like MS are pushing customers towards using their cloud for file sharing, for a fee of course.
I've never used Homegroup. Just simply share folders and printers with other pcs on your network using the the share functionality. I never did see the point of Homegroup to do this.
Simon
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Interesting to see that there are already updates, for the new update, happening.
Jamjar
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Interesting to see that there are already updates, for the new update, happening.
Jamjar
and all for Free! ;D
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Just be aware that as we progress through the various versions of Windows 10, the older versions are no longer supported by Microsoft!
I finally upgraded from 1511 to 1709 at the beginning of April, although to be fair I was still getting security updates from MS up until then. One of the benefits of having Windows 10 Pro is I can defer major upgrades for up to 12 months (or more previously) and although they've changed the way you can avoid their monthly security updates installing for a time after they are released, the metered connection option stops any from downloading when MS might like. ;D
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My update was fairly painless taking about 2.5 hours in total. However, I now have a drive "H" which is intermittently reporting that it is full, when I inspect it, the drive appears to be about 450Mb with approx. 45Mb free. Interestingly it also appear to be empty even with "show hidden files" ticked.
A brief scan of the web, suggests this is a system drive that Microsoft used to hide and that it must not be deleted.
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Just had the update on my pretty new laptop. It took about 20 mins to update and about the same or even less to configure. Then it asked me a set of daft questions and wanted to show me all the 'new' things. Otherwise, nothing seems to have changed so far.
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The "daft questions" are to do with EU legislation about needing to opt-in to data harvesting rather than them being able to do it by default.
When you install Win10, there are a few of these questions, but you have to avoid the "Let us make things easy for you" option to see them.
My guess is that if your settings were for outside the EU, then those questions would not appear.
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No problems so far. All settings as before. I'd rather be in than out!
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After updating her computer, my wife just tried to print a resume, is there a easy fix?
Mick
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took about 20 mins to update and about the same or even less to configure.
Same here, looks like the settings are the same as before, but it did want to show me the tips that are new :D
Cheers
KHP
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Can also report no problems, took about an hour, there was a good few choices to make at the start.
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OH has a newish laptop and an older desktop which runs Win10 updated from Win7. Neither have so far had the April update message. Maybe he's got his working hours set to max!!
I'm not looking forward to the desktop update as, I think, the problems seem to be arising from the Win7/8 conversions :-\
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I don't know if anyone can help, but since the latest update I cannot open any OpenOffice files. I have tried uploading OpenOffice again, but the laptop seems to interfere with it and won't let it complete.
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Both my laptops were updated from Windows 7, no major problems so far.
When it came to an office program I opted for LibreOffice 6. (Currently updating)
Brian
When it comes to update to Windows 10 I just did a check for updates.
Currently using ver 1803 Windows 10
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There definitely seems to be a problem with recent Windows updates causing conflicts with some third-party software, but I can't pin it down at the moment. Cynics might suggest Microsoft are doing this deliberately to force everyone to use their software, but this would be very shortsighted as it could drive a lot more people to switch to Linux 8)
I've had trouble with an older version of PaintShop Pro which now refuses to install despite working perfectly with an earlier version of Windows 10 :-\
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There definitely seems to be a problem with recent Windows updates causing conflicts with some third-party software, but I can't pin it down at the moment. Cynics might suggest Microsoft are doing this deliberately to force everyone to use their software, but this would be very shortsighted as it could drive a lot more people to switch to Linux 8)
I've had trouble with an older version of PaintShop Pro which now refuses to install despite working perfectly with an earlier version of Windows 10 :-\
I don't think anyone will pin it down as no 2 computers are 100% alike. Different Apps, Printers etc etc. Some Sync'd to other Devices, some not.
The next few updates will probably be trying to resolve "difficulties" and then when resolved we'll all get another W10 update which will probably cause more "difficulties" and the next few updates to that will probably be trying to resolve "difficulties" and then when resolved we'll all get another W10 and the next few updates....... ;D ;D
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I finally gave up on my 11 year old Dell laptop as it just wouldn't update anything. Bought a new Dell Inspiron laptop, very nice and had trouble updating some of the ver 1709 updates but then the day after I bought it updated the 1803 ver and now everything fine and dandy. Only took about 4 hours to update in all but we have a slow broadband here.
My main worry was having a laptop I could run Family Historian on and that is fine too so I am happy. :)
Kerryb