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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: CarlBuck on Wednesday 02 May 18 15:57 BST (UK)
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Im looking up Thomas William Buckle and I've come across three marriages in the Leeds area between 1900 and 1926, the one between Thomas and ethel smith on the 13 may 1900 is him but the other two Thomas w buckle and Harriet collins 1909 leeds im not sure, then ive found one between Thomas w buckle and Emma Jackson in 1926, could all could all the marriages be the same man?
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It is certainly possible, if he was widowed twice or divorced. But equally they could be completely different people. You cant tell just from the index entries.
Have you found "your" Thomas in 1911 census?
Have you found the one who married a Harriet in 1909, in 1911 census?
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I'm checking the census now i don't know much about him apart from he was born about 1878 son of Joseph and married Ethel Smith on 13 may 1900 at st luke Holbeck leeds,
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The Thomas William Buckle who married Harriet Collins in 1909 was aged 27 ( so born 1882) and a W Wireworker. The banns can be seen on Ancestry, He was born in Dewsbury.
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Oh not the same Thomas then mine was born about 1878 according to his marriage certificate to Ethel Smith in 1900
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Oh not the same Thomas then mine was born about 1878 according to his marriage certificate to Ethel Smith in 1900
No, you can definitely rule him out, his father was William Buckle (Deceased), a tailor. Although he was a widower according to his marriage certificate.
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Interesting though, I see that your Thomas gives his father in 1900 as Joseph Buckle (deseased) a tailor. ???
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In your other topic you are looking at George P Buckle born 1907 , son of Thomas William. There is a WW1 service record for Thomas William Buckle born 1884 which gives his wife as Harriet Collins and lists children George Percival 1907 and Evline born 1910. It mentions a marriage in Leeds 08.12.09. It seems to be the same Thomas William Buckle.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792817.msg6490616#msg6490616
Sorry , no time to look further at present.
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This could be complicated. Could it be the same man and he's told a few untruths on his second marriage? Here are the two signatures from his certificates, they look very similar to me.
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This could be Ethel's death, right age
Deaths Dec 1908
BUCKLE Ethel 26
Hunslet 9b 101
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Yes that's Ethel's death,
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In your other topic you are looking at George P Buckle born 1907 , son of Thomas William. There is a WW1 service record for Thomas William Buckle born 1884 which gives his wife as Harriet Collins and lists children George Percival 1907 and Evline born 1910. It mentions a marriage in Leeds 08.12.09. It seems to be the same Thomas William Buckle.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792817.msg6490616#msg6490616
Sorry , no time to look further at present.
If he was born in 1884 and married in 1900 he would have been 16 at time of marriage. Is that likely?
Also, in 1891 he'd be 7 and yet he isn't with mother Emma and George Hawkshaw.
I wonder if Emma's birth name is Buckle, Thomas was illigitimate and she claims to be a widow to save face while living with George.
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I think the simple answer is that Thomas possible was born illegitimately in 1878 as shown on his first marriage. When he married Harriet in 1909, she was only 21 and he would have been 31, so he knocked a few years off to make it seem better. It seems too much of a coincidence that two Thomas William Buckles had a deceased father with the same profession - tailor. It could be he forgot what name he gave on the first certificate!
So it seems that the first two marriages are the same man. Do you have the certificate for the third marriage?
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On the 1911, his year of birth is 1883. It just keeps changing. ;)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJY-1LV
Jamjar
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Could this be his death, different year again?
June 1938
Thomas W Buckle. 53
Leeds North
9b 431
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There is a burial record for a Thomas William Buckle buried with an Emma at Holbeck Leeds cemetery.
Cemetery Holbeck Cemetery
Burial Entry 24407
Surname BUCKLE
Forename(s) Thomas William
Abode
Abode (Number) 166
Abode (Street) Wellington Street
Abode (Place) Leeds
Description Dart Board Maker
Age (Years) 53
Birth (Year) 1885
Burial (Year) 1938
Burial (Month) April
Burial (Day) 7
Grave Number 947
Grave Type General
Brian
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1936 electoral register for that couple
Thomas William Buckle
Emma Buckle
Caravan, No-go-Byes
abode: 166, Wellington Street, Leeds.
Emma is still alive in 1939 at the same address, with two young daughters, both who are presumably deceased as they are named, and one closed record.
On the army records of Thomas William Buckle in 1917, he gives his address as 192 Wellington Street, Leeds. So, unless there are two men of the same name and similar ages living near each other, I would guess the answer to the original question is, Yes, it is the same man marrying three times. You would need to buy the third certificate to confirm this - the first two are on Ancestry.
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Cemetery Holbeck Cemetery
Burial Entry 27591
Surname BUCKLE
Forename(s) Emma
Abode (Number) 9
Abode (Street) Tynwald Green
Abode (Place) Leeds 17
Relationship Widow
Age (Years) 75
Birth (Year) 1902
Burial (Year) 1977
Burial (Month) September
Burial (Day) 27
Grave Number 947
Grave Type General
Just to add, 65 other named Buckle named burials within Holbeck cemetery.
Brian
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Harriet's death
Deaths Jun 1926
BUCKLE Harriet 39
Leeds 9b 474
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Yes Harriet same location.
Brian