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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: Trevoralunjones39 on Thursday 03 May 18 15:29 BST (UK)
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My father was Thomas Alun Jones, my grandmother was Catherine Jones nee Evans, my grandfather was John A. Jones they lived in Trefor & Llanaelhaiarn.
My great grand parents were Robert & Jannet Evans they had three children, Catherine, Owen & William.
Robert worked in the quarry.
Seeking some more information regarding my family.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, I would love to help, but with surnames like Jones/Evans in Caernarvonshire/Wales it would really help if you could supply the approximate years of birth/marriages of the named Jones/Evans families?
Keyboard86
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Welcome to Rootschat
Likely marriage
Marriages Sep Q 1859 Same page
Evans Robert Carnarvon 11b 671
Williams Jannett Carnarvon 11b 671
1861 - couple can be found on census with dau Catherine.
Fridd, Llanaelhaiarn, Pwllheli, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Robert Evans Head Married Male 22 Stone Quarry Caernarvonshire
Janet Evans Wife Married Female 24 Caernarvonshire
Catherine Evans Daughter Female 1
1871 - with children Catherine, Owen & William
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5B2-1ZR
1881 - with married dau Catherine & husband John Jones. Additional Evans children Elizabeth 1872, Robert 1877.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WS-F71C
You seem to have knowledge of census, what particular information are you seeking?
Cas
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Hi
There is a grave at Sant Aelhaearn church:
Robert Evans, porthmon (drover/cattle dealer), Glanllyn, Llanaelhaiarn, 1838-1915; his wife Jannet Evans, 1836-1918; their grandson Ifor Hywel Jones Evans, Frondeg (died as a result of an accident whilst following his duties in Gloucester), 16/08/1943 aged 27.
This info will enable you to find them in the 1911 Census.
Family at same address 1901 Census - haven't looked further back.
Burial register available on http://www.yffor.com/cemeteries.html , as is the new public cemetery 1953 -1987. Donation of £5 per month payable towards cost of running site.
Too busy at the moment to research further, but will follow topic.
Emyr
Another reply has been posted whilst I was typing above.
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1891 same address
Glanyllyn, Babell Street, Llanaelhaiarn, Pwllheli, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Robert Evans Head Married Male 53 Caernarvonshire Cheese Dealer
Jannette Evans Wife Married Female 54 Caernarvonshire
Robert Evans Son Male 14 Caernarvonshire, Wales
Jannette Jones Granddaughter Female 9 Caernarfonshire, Wales
Griffith Jones Servant Married Male 66 Caernarfonshire
1901, same address Glanllyn - additional Grandaughter Sydney J Jones age 11 with family. Both Roberts are butchers.
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This looks like 1901 for John Jones & family
Brynteg Terrace, Merthyr Vale, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire
John Jones Head Married Male 31 Caernarvonshire, Repair At Colliery Under Ground
Elizabeth Jones Wife Married Female 30 Llanaelhaearn, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Sydney Jane Jones Daughter Female 11 Llanaelhaearn, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Jennet C Jones Daughter Female 9 Llanaelhaearn, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Eliza A Jones Daughter Female 7 Llanaelhaearn, Caernarvonshire
Dinah N Jones Daughter Female 4 Porth, Glamorganshire
Grace A Jones Daughter Female 1 Merthyr Vale, Glamorganshire
1911 with Robert & Jannet are Sydney Jane & Dinah Nell Jones
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VX-LNH
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Hi
My Mother Madge Jones nee Evans would have been your Father's cousin. Her father was the Robert and Jannet's youngest son Robert who up until the early 1930's had the Vaynol Shop (Siop cornel) in Llanaelhaearn and also lived at Frondeg.
Our Great Grandfather Robert Evans was born 1838 in the old parish of Llangelynin above the Conwy Valley. His father Owen Evans died in 1850. In the 1851 Census at the age of 12 Robert was an ag. lab. on the farm Bryntudor, Gyffin. At the age of 15 Robert and his two brothers moved to Llanaelhaearn to work in the newly opened granite quarry as sett makers.
In the 1861 Census that Cas found occupying the next cottage is Robert's older brother William and younger brother Hugh. William went onto take over the Post Office in Llithfaen and became a prominent member of the community opening a another shop and building some 50 quarrymen's cottages.
Sett making was a tedious job and Robert soon became a drover walking the welsh black cattle from the Lleyn to London and other towns in the Midlands and Yorkshire. In the 1860's he was the landlord of the Sportman's Inn outside Clynnog. He then took over the farm Glanllyn in Llanaelhaern and became a butcher and cattle dealer, becoming well known throughout North Wales and the market towns of England. He died in 1915.
I believe John Jones was a blacksmith born in 1856 to John Jones a farmer at Llandwrog.
If you get a few more posts up you are welcome to PM me with your e-mail address and I can let you have more information.
Regards
Glyn
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1911 for John Jones, original lists children that are not at home. Elizabeth poss 2nd wife ???
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6R-B2H
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Cas just to explain the confusion Robert and Jannet had another daughter called Elizabeth born 1870 who married another John Jones. The family moved like many others to find work in the coalmines of South Wales. Another member of that side of the family has told me that they had a hard time and Robert and Jannet would look after some of the children.
Glyn
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Ah ok, all a bit confusing..so not Catherine's children. Best wait until OP returns...
Cas
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Hi
Link to Welsh Newspapers Online. Don't know if it will work:
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3460110/3460115/43/
Emyr
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John and Catherine lived all their life in Llanaelhaern and Trevor(Trefor). Catherine died 7 March 1929 and John on 12 October 1929. They are buried in Llanaelhaearn.
They had 12 children 10 of which had survived by the 1911 Census in Eifl Road, Trevor.
Emyr there are many other newspaper reports on Robert Evans some of them amusing. The first traffic offence I found when he was fined for leaving his horse and cart unattended on the turnpike. Robert had a stubborn streak, when the vicar in Llanaelhaearn died Robert agreed to buy his cow but then refused to pay when the cow suddenly died. He was taken to court and lost. Robert’s barrister told the reporter that he had advised his client he had no chance of winning.
Here is an obituary from the North Wales Chronicle. 18/6/1915
Mr Robert Evans, cattle dealer, Llanaelhaiarn, who was 77 years of age, died very suddenly yesterday week.
For over fifty years he carried, on business as a cattle dealer and was well known throughout North and South Wales. In his younger years he used to walk cattle to Birmingham, London, Bradford and other places, and would be on the road for a week or more during one journey alone.
Glyn
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A poor photo of Robert Evans can be found here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783890.msg6386273#msg6386273
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Hi Glynm,
Thank you for you input regarding our family. Would it be possible if you could pm me as I am a beginner with this technology, I look forward to hearing from you.
Kind Regard
Trevor
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Hi
You need to have posted 3 times to send/receive PMs. Send a reply to this and you'll be OK. Does your username reflect your connection with Trefor, pa. Llanaelhaiarn ? Are you a Welsh reader/speaker ?
Emyr
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Hi
You need to have posted 3 times to send/receive PMs. Send a reply to this and you'll be OK. Does your username reflect your connection with Trefor, pa. Llanaelhaiarn ? Are you a Welsh reader/speaker ?
Emyr
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Seeing the post from Trevor, who is relatively new to Rootschat, i thought I would give an update. Trevor and i have been corresponding by e-mail for the about a month where I have given further information on the Evans family as well as some research on his Jones side of the family. I have got back as far as Trevor's 2xGGrandfather William Jones (c1791-1862). William was born in Clynnog where he married Mary Thomas on 16 July 1816. Six months later William remarried Ellin Jones in Llandwrog on 20 February 1817. I can only assume that Mary died in childbirth since there is a Margaret baptised in Llandwrog on 8 June 1817 whose parents are William and Mary Jones of Llwyn Piod which is the home of Ellin's parents.
I can not find any burial record for Mary which may be because the 1816 ones for Llandwrog appear to be missing. On the off chance has anyone got the MI's for Llandwrog and check if there is a grave?
Trevor sent me some old family photographs he had obtained when visiting Trefor in March. One of girls which he had no information on I have posted here to try and get a date.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794667.0
Glyn
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Hi Glyn, I've really enjoyed reading through this post and have come to realise that you are my cousin. My dad, Harri Vaughan, is your mum's youngest brother, born 1924. I remember staying at Frondeg once or twice but I was really young then. In addition to your mum, other aunts and uncles names I remember are Netty, Meurig, Emlyn, Ivor and possibly Alwyn. I know there were many more but never met most of them because I was so young at the time and lost touch with the family. I'd really like to know more about them if you could help me please.
Thanks in advance
Carole
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Hi Carole
It is wonderful to hear from you. The last time I saw Uncle Harri was in the early 1960's when he stayed with us while doing a job for his firm, Burtons the Tailors I think. I also was only a boy then.
I will be only too pleased to exchange memories about the family. All the Uncles and Aunts you mention have passed away some years now but you still have a number of cousins. If you will make two more posts on here you will be allowed to send me your e-mail address in a personal message which no one else can see.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Glyn
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I'm so thrilled you replied Glyn. Thank you. I hope you are fit and well. I can't ever remember meeting you. Perhaps you can remind me if we did meet. Glynis, my sister, told me today that dad stayed at yours, in Manchester was it? Dad has also passed in 2003, he was 79. Mum passed in 1992 aged 71, much too early, I thought she'd reach 100 :-). I have fond memories of Meurig. I believe his wife was Margaret and I think their daughters were Janet, Sharon and Beth. I seem to remember seeing their family tree somewhere a few years ago but there was no way I could contact them. Is the photo of Robert senior or junior?
Looking forward to your reply
Carole x
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Hi again Carole
It is a pity we were not in contact earlier this year then my son and daughter who were organising a surprise party to celebrate our wedding anniversary would of invited you. You would of met some of the family from Wales including Janet, Sharon and Bethan and their children. The photo is of your Great Grandfather wearing a typical drover's hat. I'll dig some more photos out for you
The rules of Rootschat require you to make 3 posting before you can send me a personal message with your e-mail address after which I can send you information about your relatives who are still alive including photos.
Glyn x
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Your anniversary THIS year? It's only the 8th Jan. Happy anniversary. How many years is it? We have Trevor to thank for this. I've always looked for family and came across this. It's amazing what and who you find on the internet. I've been on google maps and seen William's Post Office , the quarry and where the pub was in Clynnog Fawr. The internet is just a wonderful invention! Glynis and I went down to Llanaelhaern in 2014 and visited Frondeg and a grave, I thought it was Netty's but now I seem to remember it had your name on it so perhaps it was your mum's. I was looking for Netty's bungalow but didn't find it and can't see it on maps either. I can't remember if she had children or even if she was dad's sister. I remember an aunty Clarry or Clarice who was always calling me cariad, I told mum to tell her my name was Carole. I now know what she was saying :-)
Please tell me how to send a PM and I'll send you my email address.
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Carole
The anniversary should have read "last year" a bit of a senior moment on my part, the excuse being it was almost my bedtime when I wrote it.
My parents were cremated and we took their ashes back to Wales and had them buried in Nain and Taid's grave. Nettie is buried in the in the far graveyard beyond the wall. Her bungalow, "Hafan" is just outside the village. From "Frondeg" head towards Caernarfon and after about half a mile you will come to a group of three bungalows the last being Nettie's.
She did have children Len and Roy initially worked for Uncle Meurig at his Monumenntal Masons works on the Quay in Caernarfon. Len went to Australia for a short time while Roy got married and moved to Criccieth and started his own business which included a slate craft shop by the level crossing in Criccieth where one year he was the mayor. There was also a daughter who is still alive in Australia.
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Glyn