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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Finley 1 on Thursday 03 May 18 19:41 BST (UK)
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Hoping (on behalf of a friend) someone can find the burial place of her G. G. Grandfather..
Mathew Wardle Bowey.. died.. 1902 Northumberland.
He was a Verger in his latter years .. at: St. Gabriels Church.
here is a clip of the 1901.
There is going to be a gathering of the Bowey Clan sometime this year..
So they would like to find out as much as poss.
xin
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There was a death announcement for him in the Evening Chronicle, which might contain details of where he is buried. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/DeathNotices/deaths_BORM
I will PM someone who might be able to take a look at the actual announcement for you.
Interesting history of St Gabriel's from their website http://www.stgabrielschurch.co.uk/about-us/history/
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thank you
much appreciated :) :) ;)
xin
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Thanks Jen, for the pm.
xinia, I should be able to fit in a library trip by the end of next week to look this up for you. :)
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On the 1901 census he is living at 47 Spencer Street, Heaton with wife Elizabeth and daughter Edith.
RG 13 / 4794 / 126 / 13
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That would be great
Thanks Jen, for the pm.
xinia, I should be able to fit in a library trip by the end of next week to look this up for you. :)
The family gathering is in August and they hope to find him by then.. :)
Thanks for that Census Jen B
bless you all - yet again x
xin
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His Marriage is on FreeREG but no Burial unfortunately.
Trish :)
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Thanks Trish.
Starting to think .. it would be at the Church he was Verger at ... :)
lets hope so
xin
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Starting to think .. it would be at the Church he was Verger at ... :)
I think its very unlikely that there's a burial ground actually at St Gabriels. The church was only built in the late 1890's (see the history I linked to earlier) and space would have been rather restricted. As with most burials in Newcastle at this time I think its more likely have been in one of the large civic cemeteries. Heaton Cemetery was just up the road from where he was living, so my money's on that.
Added: now I've said all that I expect the death announcement will prove me completely wrong :-X
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Starting to think .. it would be at the Church he was Verger at ... :)
I think its very unlikely that there's a burial ground actually at St Gabriels. The church was only built in the late 1890's (see the history I linked to earlier) and space would have been rather restricted. As with most burials in Newcastle at this time I think its more likely have been in one of the large civic cemeteries. Heaton Cemetery was just up the road from where he was living, so my money's on that.
Added: now I've said all that I expect the death announcement will prove me completely wrong :-X
Thank you really appreciate your help
xin
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Trust Jen to be on the money! ;D ;D ;D...
Evening Chronicle - Monday, 31 March 1902:
BOWEY.- 49 Spencer Street, Heaton, on 29th inst., aged 60 years, Matthew Wardle, beloved husband of Elizabeth Bowey, formerly of H.M. Customs, and late verger of St Gabriel's Church. To be interred at Heaton Cemetery on Tuesday, April 1st. Service at St Gabriel's Church at 2 p.m. All friends kindly invited.
Memoriam notice:
Evening Chronicle - Saturday, March 28, 1903
'In loving memory of Matthew Wardle, beloved husband of Elizabeth A. Bowey, who died March 29, 1902; late of H.M. Custom's; also late Verger of St. Gabriel's Church, Heaton. Sleep on dear husband and take thy rest, For God had called when he thought best; The loss is great that we sustain, But in heaven we hope to meet again.- Ever remembered by his loving wife and family.'
Memoriam notice:
Evening Chronicle - Tuesday, March 29 1904
'In loving memory of Matthew Wardle, beloved husband of Elizabeth A. Bowey, who died March 29, 1902. Ever remembered by his loving wife.'
Unfortunately, that one microfilm for the burial at Heaton is at present missing at Newcastle library. However, on the microfilm of indexes is recorded that Matthew is in grave number 6375.
Best Wishes :)
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I knew you'd do us proud ;D
Heaton is a big cemetery. In order to find the grave I think you'd need to know the section number which will be in the burial register :-\
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Wonderful absolutely wonderful
fillin up
thank you
overwhelmed xin
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Hi Jen
I am happy to have been able to help. :)
The librarian says he is going to ask a more senior librarian next week about why this microfilm is missing. I think I will be able to call in at some point to ask. Hopefully, it will resurface.
If not there is always the option of Tyne and Wear Archives. However, I am not exactly sure as yet when I could fit this look up in for Xinia due to my work and family commitments.
I would be willing to try if no one else comes forward - only I am unable to commit to a definite date as yet.
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Hi Xinia,
I just saw your notice after I posted my last one.
I am so glad to hear that you are pleased with the look ups. :)
As I say, I can't commit at the moment to a set date to go to Tyne and Wear Archives due to commitments. However, if no one beats me to it I will fit this look up in at some point when I can if the microfilm does not resurface at Newcastle library.
Best Wishes :)
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Your search has made a
Gathering of the Clans well worth while ----- it was worthwhile already --- of course
But for them all to be able to go to their GG's spot and see where he was buried, will make them all feel good.
When your doing this ---- and you do find a burial place of a loved one, whether it has a headstone or marker or not.. just to be there - has a special feeling.
.xxxxx xin
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https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/communities-and-neighbourhoods/births-deaths-and-marriages/deaths-funerals-and-cremations/cemeteries-in-newcastle
Scroll down to Cemetery Records. There is an email address you can contact. Thanks to RTL you are now able them full details of the exact place and date of the burial and the grave number. They may well be able to give you the section number from the information you give them.
It's a huge cemetery - you can 'drive' through it on Google streetview (hope this link works)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m0q/
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Hang fire!
I have just had another idea!
Xinia, could you check the Evening Chronicle link that Jen kindly supplied? Do you think that the Elizabeth Bowey mentioned in 1906 could be Matthew's wife? She is recorded as 66 at death.
If so I could try to check for another possible microfilm next week if I can make the library in time after work. It is possible that if Matthew's grave is a purchased one they are likely to be in the same grave. Hopefully, if this is Elizabeth her grave number may be the same but there may be another microfilm at library which may also provide section. :)
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1901 census his wife is Elizabeth aged 56.
It’s possible Xinia might get the section number via an email to Bereavement Services in Newcastle per my previous posting, to save you the bother of another look up :-\
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Thanks Jen. Is the age consistent over different census?
This is a puzzle. Freebmd does not appear to have an Elizabeth Bowey that fits. I supposed she could have moved or remarried.
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Ok thank you
out and about just now.. due to the wonderful thing in the sky :) so will get on to this tonight x
xin
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Please ask friend if this is her Elizabeth and let me know. :). Sometimes ages fluctuated. ;D
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Do you think that the Elizabeth Bowey mentioned in 1906 could be Matthew's wife?
Do you mean the Elizabeth Bowey on the Evening Chronicle Index list?
Matthew's Elizabeth is 46 in the 1891 census.
If it's the same person it's possible the informant had the age at death wrong.
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xinia, it might be well worth your while to contact St Gabriel's and ask if they have any more information about Matthew Bowey.
Their history page http://www.stgabrielschurch.co.uk/about-us/history/
contains extracts from their various parish magazines for the time at which he would have been verger. They could well have, say, an obituary for him.
No harm in trying :D Email addresses on their contacts page.
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Please ask friend if this is her Elizabeth and let me know. :). Sometimes ages fluctuated. ;D
I just checked and they have
Elizabeth Ann (nee) Danby died 1925 Newcastle upon Tyne.
will ask her more tonight.. she is at work .. so later
:)
xin
yes will contact St Gabriels
thank you all ... for now :) :) will get them to take pics when they gather hopefully
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Uhhhhm
I decided to check that death myself..
it says 80yrs old which is correct.. but the surname spelling is wrong ... ie instead of ey
so looking for her in 1911 and though I found all the family have not found her... as....yet..
so will check out the one you found in 1906
and let the know if they have it right or wrong..
xin
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Just noticed that early on in this post
I had placed an image.. which has been removed cos it was copyright..
Sorry .. Did I place the whole image??? useless (get dafter !!!!)
Can someone refresh this head as to
what I did wrong.... :( so I do not do it again :) thank you..
xin
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I remember you posting something, but I can't exactly remember what it was.
You'd have to ask a moderator :-\
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Thanks Jen :)
I hate to err in such a way..
getting quiet uhm..... not forgetful dumb.. thats the word.. ha ha .
apologies
xin
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There is a death of an Eliza Ann Danby, aged 57, at South Shields in December 1904.
Malky
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We're looking for Matthew's widow, Elizabeth Ann Bowey. Danby was her maiden name :D
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I am still wondering if the 1906 Elizabeth may be Matthew's wife. I realise she would be 5 years out in age but I think that type of thing happened. Perhaps the person giving the death information didn't really know.
I have an ancestor who aged from death notice by the time she got to the burial register. ;D Mistakes happen.
I wonder what your friend will have to say about this. I wish I had thought about this earlier and checked the Elizabeth notice today. That would have definitely ruled things out one way or the other. ;)
There is also a Heaton History group but I can't remember their contact details now. I think they would likely have info on Matthew.I
Added: Just saw your post Jen after posting this one.
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I am still wondering if the 1906 infant be Matthew's wife. I realise she would be 5 years out in age but I think that type of thing happened. Perhaps the person giving the death information didn't really know.
You could be right. It depended on the informant. Age of death on a DC can be notoriously unreliable.
I can't see Elizabeth in 1911.
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Well, my curiousity is well piqued now .. I am going to try to get to the library after work next week. I will let you all know if this is Elizabeth. I do tend to think this might be.
Hopefully, it will be and Xenia will be able to pass another notice to her friend.
Also, that memoriam about hoping to meet in heaven. .. I wonder if they also intended to meet again in the cemetery and may have the same plot number...
Hopefully, all will be revealed soon ...
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OH crikey
I know they will smile --about meeting in heaven.. eeek
xin
still waiting for a response from main contact.
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Hopefully, all will be revealed soon ...
If xinia or her friend email bereavement services with the plot number as I suggested earlier all might be revealed sooner than you think ;D
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We're looking for Matthew's widow, Elizabeth Ann Bowey. Danby was her maiden name :D
Yes Jen, I did know that, but in Scotland you get the maiden name, so I reconed that there may be a slim chance that she was registered under her maiden name.
Malky
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Thanks Malky xx
got to try all ends
xin :)
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Just had a report back from the people this is all about and they are jumping with excitement..
to quote my friend
'It's just brilliant xx all the many cousins are very excited'
xin
will be back to sort Elizabeth thank you
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Hi xinia
(and anyone else who wants an explanation)
Trystan provided an explanation here as to why full certs are removed
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789366.msg6459103#msg6459103
Dawn
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Dawn, xinia definitely hadn’t posted a certificate, to the best of my recollection it was to do with the 1901 census.
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Thanks Dawn - Tristan and Jen B
I am sorry - I have just totally forgotten what it was ..
So dont worry and I promise to be good from now xxx and triple :o :o :o check
:D ;)
xin
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Found it..
right it was a 'snip' of the 1901 but not the actual it was the transcription on FindMyPast..
Got it .. so get what not to do xx
xin
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I am sure the powers that be will understand it was an inadvertent error and that you didn't set out to break rules .. whatever infraction this was ...
I am glad to hear that these developments are exciting to the descendants. Now we are all agog now about Elizabeth! ;D
I wonder which will happen first this week xinia, you getting a reply from the bereavement services or me getting back to the library. It is Bank holiday Monday coming up so bereavement services will be closed. It would be nice to see this through to the happy conclusion of finding the grave. :)
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Yes cannot wait ... great results so far.
xin
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Struggling to find a circa 1873 birth for Richard Wardle Bowey. Found his death (aged 10) in June 1883 Newcastle. He is listed in the 1881 census.
Malky
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I get that, it doesn.t show up instantly - the only ref to him is the 1881.. :( Durham.
Shall ask later today if they need / have this
thanks again
Malky
xin
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The Elizabeth Bowey who died in 1906 age 66 could be the wife of John the cooper?
Here they are in Westgate in 1901, both aged 60
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSM5-7R8
And a widowed John in 1911 free index
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMH-BMB
Maybe an outside possibility for Elizabeth, the widow of Matthew, from the free index to 1911? Age is 66
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWM8-ZD9
(could be Ellizelth Bouey in the alternative index?)
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Maybe an outside possibility for Elizabeth, the widow of Matthew, from the free index to 1911? Age is 66
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWM8-ZD9
(could be Ellizelth Bouey in the alternative index?)
That looks very promising - a widow, right age, and still living in Byker :D
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Yes Jon, I agree your theory about recorded 'Elizabeths' does sound plausible.
I wonder if xinia's friend may have more information of what happened to Elizabeth after Matthew's death? Or whether this may be a blank at present?
This would be a help.
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Hello,
yesterday my friend and I were discussing the wonderful discoveries you have all found for the Bowey Clan.
We have emailed Bereavement services.
And at some point today she hopes to pop on Roots herself..
As for Elizabeth when we were talking she said all she had was very tentative -- NO Factual stuff. So I told her to get to it. :) before the gathering..
Maybe when they get together you could pop along and they will say Hi and thanks themselves.
xin
will nag her to find time to get on here.
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Jon is right. The 1906 Elizabeth was the wife of John Bowey according to the newspaper notice I have just looked at. :-\ Librarian says the burial microfilm (No 1377) has still not turned up either. :-\
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OK -- will pass that on.
Just heard back from the Bereavement services and they say their records dont go back that far, but have given me another link to try.
Xin
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I will try to squeeze in a trip to the Archives for you at some point between now and next week. They will have the microfilm giving exact location of the grave.
I am going to do my best to find this and feel confident that this should be easy once I get to the Archives.
So fear not - we will get the Bowey clan to the right grave eventually. :)
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I will try to get to squeeze in a trip to the Archives for you at some point between now and next week. They will have the microfilm giving exact location of the grave.
I am going to do my best to find this and feel confident that this should be easy once I get to the Archives.
So fear not - we will get the Bowey clan to the right grave eventually. :)
xinia, you can be assured that once RTL gets her teeth into something she doesn't give up easily ;D
I will be 'the toon' next week, but I don't think I'll have time to get to the Archives :(
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brilliant...
these people are coming together from all over!? USA included ...wow
xin
you all deserve a medal xxx
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Hello just wanted to come on finally now ive found my details and say a huge thank you for everyones help in finding out about my gg grandad Matthew Wardle Bowey, thanks to xinia for posting this.
I am really looking forward to meeting up with all my distant cousins in August so will be fantastic to be able to see where he lived and was buried. xxx
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Sorry me again, another one of my cousins that is coming over from Canada has contacted bereavement services also and was told the same that the records don't go back that far and also that the plot number we gave doesn't correspond with any grave number they have? Does anyone know why this could be? Sorry to hound you now, Im just a little excited! thanks x
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Ah :) there you are -- right I will leave this in your capable hands now.. Whilst I continue my hunts for Clarkes and co.. xxxxx
xin
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I am glad you are online. The records do go back that far. The microfilm has turned up - hold on I am going to do the look up. Will get back to you in a few minures!
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Found it!
Microfilm 1377 at Newcastle City library
Heaton Cemetery
Entry No: 6375
Matthew Wardle Bowey
Age 60
Date of Death: 29th March
Where death occurred: 49 Spence Street, Heaton
Looks like Section F (this letter is written in a peculiar way but staff member and I both think this is an F
Number of grave: 159
Date of burial: 1st April
Ceremony performed by: J Robertson
Signature of person making burial entry: Jos. Marshall
Sorry, I thought this was the grave number when I looked at the indexes earlier during this post but it turns out to have been the entry number :-[.
Still, we got there in the end. :). I don't know why burial services say records do not go back that far - do they perhaps mean that they do not hold records that far back. Anyone can see this record at Newcastle library and Tyne and Wear Archives will have this record too.
You will be able to view this record for yourself when you come to Newcastle for the clan meeting! I hope you all enjoy your time in the North East. :)
Best Wishes :)
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Wow
Brilliant..
sitting with mouth wide open
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ha ha ha
xin wow ;D ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o :o
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I think that Bereavement Services must surely mean that the records they hold in their office the don’t go back that far, as it’s clear from the Tyne &Wear user guides that the Archives hold records for this cemetery dating back to 1890.
Of course all of this doesn’t mean there is a memorial stone but at least thanks to RTL’s efforts you know which section he’s in.
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Now hopefully, the burial services may be able to let you know if there is a grave stone. :)
Here is another memoriam from Elizabeth so this shows she was still alive in 1905:
Evening Chronicle - Wednesday, March 29, 1905
'In loving memory of my dear husband Matthew W. Bowey, who died March 29th, 1902, late of H.M. Customs; also late verger of St. Gabriel's. Ever remembered by his loving wife and family.'
No memoriam in 1906.
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WOW!!!! Thank you so very much this is fantastic! thank you for all your help I cant wait to get there now and get hunting! :) xxx
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http://margaret-hall-genealogy.com/page9.htm
Hopefully you will be able to see a map of the cemetery. I got this from a great North East Genealogy website - Google 'Margaret Hall Genealogy'. Click on thumbnail map and the map should get bigger.
It looks like Section F is close to the entrance.
I am happy to have been able to help. :)
Added: Actually you don't need to Google it you will already be there when you click on the link only not on the home page. ;D
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Thank you for that! Really looking forward to the trip now! Meeting 8 other great great granddaughters of Matthew wardle and we will all be able to find his burial place now! So thank you so much 😊