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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Steve G on Thursday 03 May 18 21:55 BST (UK)
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??? Mean anything to anyone? It's a word. Not a name.
Craziest thing; I was getting some hay, for the horses, and as I exited the hay shed, aiming to nip smartly across the pen, into the stables, I said; " Here we go, horses. I'm just gonna dash ..... "
Bang! " Needash ". A word I haven't heard, or thought, in pushing fifty years! In my family, it basically mean't " Shh! Say nothing! " But, we'd use " Kakker " amongst ourselves.
So, I'm thinking it could be another of the Irish Gypsy words my people picked up. They had a fair bit to do with Ireland and I know a few more words we'd use were of that origin.
Can anyone throw any light on this, please?
Thanks :)
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Not sure about this;
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m0b/
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:-\ Seems tenuous, Tuggist. I mean; It does sound like the right word. But, that context is right out the window, isn't it? What's " The Flash Tailors " anyway? All sounds a bit Dickensian.
I think we need someone more up on their Shelta / Irish to help on this one.
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Only reference I could find, thought it would not be correct but,,,
[ except for nee in Teluga meaning ; yours.] ::)
Teluga is a language derived from Sanscrit. 8)
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Teluga is a language derived from Sanscrit. 8)
I see what you just did there! 8)
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Maybe nidash?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m0c/
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:) " Nidash " actually sounds, and looks good!
My spelling is purely, randomly phonetic, of course. I could just have easily gone for " Kneedash ". God knows where we'd end up then.
Nidash is Hindi? Cool! What does it Mean though, please? I couldn't find it.
Nor could I find Partridge's on Kindle, unfortunately. Or I'd have likely bought that. Always fancied a copy. Eyeballs just aren't up to paper books any more :-[
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2o8 SHELTA
n'edas 'a place': 'to lodge' (nedas, nedhers, nyedhers: naddis,
nadas G, nethrus = 'bed' C). K'en n'edas [nedhers kena,
n^daskan (L')] 'a lodging-house'; n, gdter *a drinking place',
'public-house', 'drinking booth'; «. a Dal'on 'Heaven';
«. a mlder 'Hell'; n. a t'era 'grate'; «. ladu 'a graveyard';
w. relti 'a camping place'; w. §ural 'a racecourse*; mugel-
n'edas 'an orchard'. Nyadas (L), translated 'table'. Irish
ionad 'place'.
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nid'eS ' no '/ not ', ' nothing ', ' do not ', ' is or are not ', and, generally,
an expression of negation in assertion or command (nidash,
nidesh, nidyesh, nyesh, nijesh, nijish, nijes). Ntd'e^ kari 'do
not buy'. Nejish (C), translated 'stand back! look out!'
Irish nl h-eadh [ni ha] 'it is not'. Compare st6s.
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From here; https://archive.org/stream/rosettaproject_sth_vertxt-1/rosettaproject_sth_vertxt-1_djvu.txt
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not Hindi, although there is nidesh निर्देश? in Hindi, google says that is; directive.
Which seems similar to the meaning given for Shelta nidash in my earlier link
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;D Tugger! Ye've cracked it!!! ;D
" nid'eS ' no '/ not ', ' nothing ', ' do not ', ' is or are not ', and, generally,
an expression of negation in assertion or command (nidash,
nidesh, nidyesh, nyesh, nijesh, nijish, nijes). "
That's exactly how it would have been used! " assertion or command ". Bit like how ye'd tell a child, or a Dog. A short, sharp, 'Stop It!' sort of word.
Brilliant! ;D So, now we've solved the riddle of exactly what the term means. We've shown that my folk did indeed get it from rubbing shoulders with the Pav's. And we've left me with one less thing to irritate and niggle me on my death bed! ;D
I wonder if anyone ~ of 'pure' Pavee ancestry ~ is on here? Would be great to gain some insights from the genuine article.
There's so much more, to Family History than copy / paste ancient pedigrees.
I think we've just proven that! 8)
Thanks!