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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: wise1 on Friday 04 May 18 11:34 BST (UK)
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Hi I am researching Thomas McCabe from this marriage cert & hitting brick walls
I cant seem to track him on the census & im no expert with FindMyPast filters !
Can someone help me ?Marriage cert attached .
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There's an RC baptism for him which references the 1920 marriage. Baptised at St Anne's on 5 June 1885, born 6 March 1885, parents Thomas McCabe and wife Joanna (possibly Jane) maiden name Smith. Address 10 Mason Street.
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I reckon I've found the family in 1939 at 124 Field Street, Liverpool. Thomas's birth year is 1885.
Seven members in the household but three are closed.
Have a look and see what you think.
There are quite a number of McCabe/Doyle births between 1920 and 1939, mainly W.Derby and Liverpool.
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Could this be him on the 1911?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWTL-WXP
Jamjar
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I think this may be the father's death:-
Deaths Mar 1900
McCabe Thomas 44 W. Derby 8b 483
Gives a birth year of 1856
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Could it be this couple ???
There was a Thomas McCabe (bachelor - aged 23 years - mariner - 57 Bute Street Liverpool - father John McCabe ) who married a widow Jane Smith -aged 22 years - servant - father Thomas Smith - moulder -
marriage 15 th April 1880. Holy Trinity Church. Liverpool
Sandra
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A possible for Thomas McCabe born 1856 - ???
1871 census Mount Pleasant Liverpool Lancashire
Class: RG10 Piece 3781 Foli: 122 Page 30
John McCabe 50 born Edinburgh Scotland 1821. Tailor.
Mary McCabe 42 born Ireland 1829.
Thomas McCabe 15 born Liverpool.
John McCabe 10 born Liverpool.
Sandra
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Could Jane have been a Munro before marrying Mr Smith?
Marriages Jun 1880
McCABE Thomas Liverpool 8b 58
Munro Jane Liverpool 8b 58
Or is this a different Thomas McCabe?
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Could Jane have been a Munro before marrying Mr Smith?
Marriages Jun 1880
McCABE Thomas Liverpool 8b 58
Munro Jane Liverpool 8b 58
Or is this a different Thomas McCabe?
see reply 5
Sandra
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the Field Street is correct from 1939 .
I just asked a cousin and Thomas died in the early 50s thats all I could get !
Thank you so far
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Possible death for Thomas?
Deaths Dec 1956
McCabe Thomas 71 Liverpool N. 10d 138
Added: Ellen's death?
Deaths Dec 1957
McCABE Ellen 61 Liverpool N. 10d 202
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There's an RC baptism for him which references the 1920 marriage. Baptised at St Anne's on 5 June 1885, born 6 March 1885, parents Thomas McCabe and wife Joanna (possibly Jane) maiden name Smith. Address 10 Mason Street.
On the 1920 marriage on Liverpool, England, Catholic Marriages, 1754-1921 one of the witnesses, Susanna McCabe, has an address of 7 Amber Street. Looking at the Electoral Rolls,she's with a John McCabe.
There's also a baptism:
Joannes Thomas McCabe
Birth 17 Apr 1880
Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1881
son of Thomae Mccabe and Joannae Smith.
Which may or may not be this on the GRO:
GRO Births
MCCABE, JOHN THOMAS mmn MUNRO
1880 J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 394
I can't see anyone on any census,though!
Maureen
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1891 census at 7 Curzon Street, Liverpool:
Jane McCabe wife Married 30
Thomas McCabe son 6
John McCabe son 3
All shown as born Glasgow, Scotland but I think that is an error as regards the children.
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1901 at 13 Curzon Street:
Annie Miles Head widow 53 Ireland
Jane McCabe sister-In-Law widow 43 Scotland
Thomas McCabe nephew 16 chandler's assistant Liverpool
John McCabe nephew 14 Liverpool
Annie McCabe niece 3 Liverpool
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There's an RC baptism for him which references the 1920 marriage. Baptised at St Anne's on 5 June 1885, born 6 March 1885, parents Thomas McCabe and wife Joanna (possibly Jane) maiden name Smith. Address 10 Mason Street.
On the 1920 marriage on Liverpool, England, Catholic Marriages, 1754-1921 one of the witnesses, Susanna McCabe, has an address of 7 Amber Street. Looking at the Electoral Rolls,she's with a John McCabe.
There's also a baptism:
Joannes Thomas McCabe
Birth 17 Apr 1880
Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1881
son of Thomae Mccabe and Joannae Smith.
Which may or may not be this on the GRO:
GRO Births
MCCABE, JOHN THOMAS mmn MUNRO
1880 J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 394
I can't see anyone on any census,though!
Maureen
7 Amber Street also appears on the marriage of Annie McCabe - to Charles Phipps - 3 March 1919
The Church of st Peter. Liverpool.
Charles a bachelor aged 34 years - carter - 10 Danlby Street - father John Phipps - Painter.
Annie a spinster aged 22 years - father Thomas McCabe - mariner
John and Susan McCabe as witnesses.
Sandra
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Nice one,Sandra!!
Maureen
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I wonder if the John Thomas referred to in reply #11 is this one?
Deaths Jun 1883
McCabe John Thomas 3 West Derby 8b 446
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I wonder if the John Thomas referred to in reply #11 is this one?
Deaths Jun 1883
McCabe John Thomas 3 West Derby 8b 446
Quite likely!
Maureen
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John McCabe - 3 years and Ann Jane McCabe - 9 months - - Ford Cemetery Liverpool Lancashire - 28 June 1883
Sandra
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Ann Jane McCabe - Munroe
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in West Derby Volume 08B Page 581
Sandra
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Heck ! I never expected so many replies ! Amazing Thank you all so far
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Ellen McCabe minor Father; John McCabe Occ: Tailor
Marriage Date: 15 Jul 1867
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Nicholas, Lancashire, England
Spouse-John PHIPPS Occ:Painter Father: Robert PHIPPS
As odd as it seems-I think that Ellen is the sister of Thomas McCabe. Sandra gave the family in 1871.
Ellen and John PHIPPS had several children but one daughter,Ellen born ~ 1877 seems to have married an Alexander STEWART and appears on the 1911 (posted by Jamjar) where Thomas McCABE is listed as “cousin”.
I think that Charles PHIPPS who married Ann McCABE was also a child of Ellen and John PHIPPS.
Sorry-not very clear.
Maureen
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1861 census 11 Mount Vernon Road West Derby Liverpool.
RG 9 Piece 2729 Folio 60; Page 28
John Mc Cabe 39 born Edinburgh, Scotland. Tailor.
Mary Mc Cabe 35 born Derry Hill, Ireland 1826.
Ann Mc Cabe 15 born Derry, Londonderry, Ireland (Ann Miles on 1901 ???)
Ellen Mc Cabe 12 born Scotland.
Thomas Mc Cabe 7 born Liverpool.
Mary Mc Cabe 1 born Liverpool.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7YZ-YF9
Sandra
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1861 census 11 Mount Vernon Road West Derby Liverpool.
RG 9 Piece 2729 Folio 60; Page 28
John Mc Cabe 39 born Edinburgh, Scotland. Tailor.
Mary Mc Cabe 35 born Derry Hill, Ireland 1826.
Ann Mc Cabe 15 born Derry, Londonderry, Ireland (Ann Miles on 1901 ???)
Ellen Mc Cabe 12 born Scotland.
Thomas Mc Cabe 7 born Liverpool.
Mary Mc Cabe 1 born Liverpool.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7YZ-YF9
Sandra
OOH! Yes,I think you have it!
Annie KELLY is a widow with father John McCABE in 1881 and then marries Jasper MILES in 1889.
Maureen
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That's the one ;) First marriage - Annie Mccabe - Marriage Date: 5 Mar 1871 - St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father John Mccabe - Spouse James Joseph Kelly (widowed - single)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJJJ-JB5
James Kelly passed away aged 31 years - Ford Cemetery - 10 December 1880 -
Sandra
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1881 census 19 Dansie St Mount Pleasant Liverpool Lancashire
RG11 Piece 3619 Folio 85 Page 4
John Mc Cabe 54 born Midlothian, Scotland. Tailor.
Annie Kelly 34 born Londonderry Ireland. Widow. Char woman.
John Mc Cabe 19 born Liverpool. Tailor.
Sandra
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1891 census West Derby, Lancashire.
RG12 Piece 2987 Folio 131 Page 38
Jasper J Miles 59 born 1832 Leicester. Advertising Bill Posters.
Annie Miles 43 born 1848 Londonderry Ireland.
Ben William Miles 25 born 1866 Lincolnshire. Iron Safe Body Maker.
Miles Jasper John 63 years Toxteth Park 8b 171
Sandra
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Sandra , excuse my confusion
Is this the Thomas McCabe on the original Marriage certifcate ?
1861 census 11 Mount Vernon Road West Derby Liverpool.
RG 9 Piece 2729 Folio 60; Page 28
John Mc Cabe 39 born Edinburgh, Scotland. Tailor.
Mary Mc Cabe 35 born Derry Hill, Ireland 1826.
Ann Mc Cabe 15 born Derry, Londonderry, Ireland (Ann Miles on 1901 ???)
Ellen Mc Cabe 12 born Scotland.
Thomas Mc Cabe 7 born Liverpool.
Mary Mc Cabe 1 born Liverpool.
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Sorry to sound like a Numpty but I just need one of you expert reseachers here to clarify
this for me ? I can then start to re work all the answers chronologically
Is this the Thomas McCabe on the original Marriage certifcate ? (Deceased in 1920)
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The 1861 census that you have looks to be Thomas Snr from the marriage certificate. This looks as though this is his birth registration
MCCABE, THOMAS DOYLE
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 159
I gave you what I thought may be the above's death at reply #4.
The Thomas marrying Ellen Doyle was born about 1886.
I gave you most likely deaths for Thomas Jnr and Ellen which I repeat here for you:-
Possible death for Thomas?
Deaths Dec 1956
McCabe Thomas 71 Liverpool N. 10d 138
Added: Ellen's death?
Deaths Dec 1957
McCABE Ellen 61 Liverpool N. 10d 202
I found Thomas and Ellen in the 1939 Register and Thomas' birth date is given as 9 March 1885.
Are you trying to clarify Thomas McCabe Senior? It would be helpful to know what his occupation was as that is not shown on the image that you provided of the 1920 marriage ceritifcate.
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Thanks for your reply - Just managed to dig this cert out again
Occupation is stated as Seaman
Thanks for everyones help with this so far . Its helped a lot and Im trying to tie it all together
now accurately
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I appreciate that this thread has been idle for a while now but I found it by chance a couple of weeks ago. My Grandmother was the daughter of Charles Phipps and Annie McCabe, we knew nothing about them other than their names so this thread was really helpful in kickstarting our research into the family tree. So I just wanted to stop back and say thank you to the people who posted on here.
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