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Title: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: Poky on Friday 04 May 18 12:58 BST (UK)
Does anyone have access to the Cheshire Parish Registers. I am looking for information on Ann Worthington, who died at St. Thomas Court, Stockport, Cheshire, on May 16, 1869, age 68. Thanks
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: ciderdrinker on Friday 04 May 18 14:20 BST (UK)
Hello
1861 census St Thomas Crt Canal St Stockport
Ann Worthington widow 63 house servant Lancashire Cockey Moor
Alice daughter 22 cotton weaver Stockport
Joshua 8 grandson Stockport

Ciderdrinker
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 04 May 18 14:21 BST (UK)
What kind of info are you looking for?

She is on the 1861 as a widow aged 63 born Cocky Moor?? Lancashire

22yr old daughter Alice Worthington and 8yr old g/son Joshua living with her both born Stockport

RG9 Piece 2566 Folio 67 Page 23

What was her maiden name
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 04 May 18 14:37 BST (UK)
A possible 1851 assuming the 14 yr old may be Maria Alice??

Smithy  Fold Hyde (in the Stockport RD) - children born Werneth Cheshire

Richard Worthington    71 b Westhoughton cotton weaver
Ann  52 (blind) b Lancs ?? High
Nancy  19
Hannah     16
Maria A      14
HO107 Piece 2154 Folio 624 Page 22
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: Poky on Saturday 05 May 18 01:37 BST (UK)
Thank you very much for the replies. The Ann that I am interested in was married to Richard Worthington, who died in 1855. The family in 1851 lived at Smithy Fold in Hyde, included: Richard (West Houghton), Ann (blind), (Leigh, Lancashire), children: Nancy 19, Hannah 16, and Maria A (14). Maria's middle name was Anne born 1838 (Cheshire BMD). I have been trying to find Ann (Cooper) Worthington's death and thought the one living, at St. Thomas Court, was her. But don't think it is, unless Richard was listed, as her husband, in the Cheshire Parish Registers. I do not believe the Ann, that I am searching, had a daughter, Alice.
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: dcbnwh on Saturday 05 May 18 13:13 BST (UK)
This is probably the marriage - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/cgi-bin/mkindx.cgi?parish=Leigh&type=Parish&community=

Maria Ann's mother's maiden name being Cooper - GRO index - and 1851 census birth place Leigh.

David

The full link doesn't seem to work:- http://www.lan-opc.org.uk

Marriage: 30 Apr 1820 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Richard Worthington - Widower, Leigh Parish
Ann Cooper - (X), Spinster, Leigh Parish
    Witness: Samuel Whittle; Timothy Taylor
    Married by Banns by: Danl. Birkett Vicar
    Register: Marriages 1820 - 1825, Page 13, Entry 37
    Source: LDS Film 559188
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 05 May 18 13:29 BST (UK)
Marriage;
30 April 1820 Leigh, Lancashire
Richard WORTHINGTON to Ann COOPER, Richard widowed

This may be the 1861 Census Ann/Alice in 1841;
Ann Worthington, 40
Mary Worthington, 11
Sarah A Worthington, 8
Henry Worthington, 6
Alice Worthington, 4
Ann not born in County*   

1841 for you Family;
Rickard Worthington   60
Ann Worthington   40
William Worthington   16
James Worthington   14
Nancy Worthington   9
Emma Worthington   5
Maria Worthington   3


WORTHINGTON, MARIA  ANN, Mothers mn COOPER
GRO Reference: 1838  J Quarter in STOCKPORT  Volume 19  Page 251

Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 05 May 18 13:36 BST (UK)
Did Richard/Ann have a Son James 1827ish?

1861 in Manchester;
James Worthington, 34, born Derbyshire
Mary Ann Worthington, 33
Thomas Worthington, 6
ANN Worthington, 63, Mother, Widow, born Manchester (Blind), born c 1798

Death Reg 1868 Manchester Ann Worthington age 70

OOPS 1841 they do
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 05 May 18 13:43 BST (UK)
2nd Marriage for James on Anc. 1868 Lancs, Widower, Father Richard, occp Weaver.
Ann was a widow also.

1871 Census
James Worthington, 44, born Compstall Bridge, Cheshire
Ann Worthington, 40
Thomas Worthington, 16
Isabella Y Worthington, 8
Herbert Worthington, 1

EDIT Isabella was Anns Daug;
1881 Census
Mary E. Gresty   35
Isabella Jardine   18 Neice born Manchester

Anns maiden name was Gresty from 1868 Marriage
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: Poky on Sunday 06 May 18 02:19 BST (UK)
Thank you very much to David and Trish. I have been doing research on the family for some time, but have reached a brick wall, when it comes to finding Ann (Cooper) Worthington's death. Much of the information confirms my findings. Richard Worthington, widower married Ann Cooper on April 30, 1820 in Leigh. In 1841, their children were William, James, Nancy, Emma, and Maria. One identifying factor that has been confirmed that Ann was blind. In 1861, she did live with her son James, Mary Ann, and family, where it was reported that she was blind.  I didn't realize that James married twice, just thought that Mary Ann dropped the Mary and went as Ann in 1871.  Trish do you have the exact date of this marriage or any other information supplied, such as, where James lived. It said his father was, Richard, a weaver and that his mother, Ann was a widow. So at that point, she was still alive. Now, we come to the death, for Ann of 1868. I was sure that this was her, and sent GRO for it, however; this Ann, who died, on June 6, 1868, husband was William Worthington, and he was present, at her death. Is it possible that she remarried?  Thanks very much for everyone's help. This is a wonderful service, with so many dedicated to helping others.
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: dcbnwh on Sunday 06 May 18 09:27 BST (UK)
Ann Gresty married John Jardine, widower and fitter, son of James Jardine, pattern maker, on 26th December  1853 in Manchester and then James Worthington on 21st July 1868 in Manchester.

Ann was the daughter of James Gresty, a builder.

David

Lancs OPC:-
Marriage: 26 Dec 1853 St Mary, Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Jardine - 28, Fitter, Widower, 134 Cambridge St.
Ann Gresty - 23, Spinster, 26 Clayton St.
    Groom's Father: James Jardine, Pattern Maker
    Bride's Father: James Gresty, Builder
    Witness: James Jardine; Isabella Barlow
    Married by Banns by: George Slade
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: dcbnwh on Sunday 06 May 18 11:46 BST (UK)
It is possible that whoever registered the death may have given the wrong name for the husband.

This is Ann's grave reference:-
Ann Worthington
Birth year: 1798
Death year: 1868
Burial date: 10 Jun 1868
Age at death: 70
Residence: Manchester
Place: Chorlton-upon-Medlock, Manchester
Grave number: 3434
Running number: 73579
Source: Rusholme Road Cemetery Burial Registers

Alternatively, her age may be incorrect and could be this person in 1861:-
4, Pimblett Street, Hulme, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
William Worthington Head 54 b 1807 Cotton Spinner
Ann Worthington Wife 67 b 1794 Laundress

David
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 06 May 18 12:03 BST (UK)
Sorry I may have confused you, no Mother is named on the 1868 M/C.
Ann Jardine was a widow the woman he married.

Marriage;
21 Jul 1868, Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire
James WORTHINGTON age 41, Widower, Traveller, abode 3 Purdon St, Father RICHARD a Weaver
Ann JARDINE, age 37, Widow, abode 103 Hodge Lane, Salford, Father James GRESTY, Builder
Witnesses Robert and Maria Marshall

1861 Ann Worthington is with her Son James and Family

Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 06 May 18 12:19 BST (UK)
James 1st Wife was Mary Ann BANCROFT married 1849 as you probably know.

Birth Reg GRO Index;
WORTHINGTON, HERBERT, Mothers mn GRESTY****
GRO Reference: 1870  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 321
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: Poky on Sunday 06 May 18 23:26 BST (UK)
Once again, Thank you David and Trish. David: thanks for sending burial records for Ann. The husband of Ann, who died on June 6, 1868, was William. William was present at her death. Ann (Cooper) Worthington's husband, Richard died in 1855. Thanks, but I don't believe this is the right Ann. Trish: Thanks for sending information on James's marriage to Ann (Gresty/Jardine) James was a busy man: 1851: cotton spinner, 1861: baker (lived on Rochdale Rd), mother Ann (Cooper) Worthington, 1868: marriage to Ann (Gresty/Jardine), traveller 3 Purdon Street, 1871: hair dresser living with wife Ann and children, Thomas, Isabella J., Herbert. There has to be a clue here somewhere. When did James's first wife, Mary Ann (Bancroft) die, and where did they live. Between 1861 and 1871, Ann (Cooper) Worthington goes missing. Possibilities: She dies, gets remarried, lives, with another child, or leaves the country. Not to complicate the issue, but Ann's daughter, Nancy (Dec 11, 1832-April 12, 1908) married Joseph Child(s) and immigrated to Philadelphia, Penn, USA. Nancy death certificate says Father: Richard Worthington and Mother: Ann Richardson. This has caused a great deal of confusion amongst researchers. Some still accept Ann Richardson, as mother maiden name, while the others, who have Maria Ann's birth, know that she was a Cooper. Did she get remarried to a Richardson? We know she lived, with James 1861 on Rochdale Road, and somewhere they lived, when Mary Ann (Bancroft) Worthington died. There has to be a common factor. Once again, thanks to the both of you.
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: Poky on Monday 07 May 18 14:04 BST (UK)
Hi David, Would you have a burial record for Richard Worthington. Richard Worthington of Flowery Field Parish in Newton was buried, on March 1, 1855, at Stockport. I wonder, if Ann would have been buried there too.  Thanks very much, for all your help.
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: dcbnwh on Monday 07 May 18 16:25 BST (UK)
There are four Worthingtons buried in Werneth, including Richard with details as you mention, but no Ann.

Leah Ann Worthington 1852 1854
Richard Worthington 1781 1855
James Worthington 1826 1880
Mary Ann Worthington 1829 1866

David
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: Poky on Monday 07 May 18 17:17 BST (UK)
Thanks very much David. Does it give the name of the cemetery
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: Poky on Monday 07 May 18 20:06 BST (UK)
Hi David,

Thanks very much for the burial records, for Richard, his son, James, and daughter-in-law, Mary Ann. I would be interested, in any information, given for these individuals. Is there, by any chance, an Ann Richardson, was listed in the burial index, born around 1799? Ann was living, with James and Mary Ann, in 1861. Seems strange, if she was living, with them, at the time, of her death, she was not buried, with the rest. Are these derived, from the National Burial Index, if so, do you have access, for all of England. The following is the locations, where her other children lived:
Emma[/b] 1861-1865 Oldham, Lanc, 1866-1869 Monk Bretton, Yorkshire, 1871-1876: Barnsley, Yorkshire, 1881-1891 Ashton-Under-Lyne.
Nancy[/b] 1861 Oldham, Lancashire, 1863 immigrated to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Maria[/b] 1861 Dukinfield, 1871 Ranscliff, Staffordshire, 1881 Bollington, Cheshire, 1891 Brinnington, Cheshire
William 1851: Werneth, 1861: Newton St. Stockport, 1871-1881: Dukinfield

Also, could she have been buried in Leigh, Lancashire, where she was born?

I appreciate all the details, you have supplied.
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: dcbnwh on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:25 BST (UK)
The burials are from the parish register and the only additional information is their abodes.

Mary Ann Worthington, buried 7th January 1865, abode Oldham, and James on 21st July 1880, abode Didsbury.

If they were brought back to Werneth, you would expect Ann to have been also, so a bit of a mystery.

The other burial, Leah Ann, was the daughter of James and Mary Ann of George Street, Bacum, Werneth, baptised on 21st March 1852 in Werneth and buried there on 30th March 1854.

I will try and find the other children.

David
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: Poky on Wednesday 09 May 18 01:49 BST (UK)
Thank you very much David, for all the efforts, you are making, to find Ann' burial. During the period of 1861-1865, 3 of Ann's children, lived in Oldham. By 1871, she does not live, with any of her children, including the daughter, living in Pennsylvania. From what, I have investigate, it does not appear, as if, she died, there either.
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: Poky on Wednesday 09 May 18 10:34 BST (UK)
There is an Anne Worthington, who married Henry Richardson, on August 27, 1862, in the Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire. It could be worth exploring.
Title: Re: Cheshire Parish Registers
Post by: dcbnwh on Wednesday 09 May 18 13:42 BST (UK)
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk has this marriage and it gives two surnames for Anne, which usually means she has been married before. Unfortunately, the second name is Rutter, which is presumably her father's surname.

If you search for Henry, rather than Anne, it will display the two surnames.

David