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Hello,
Is it possible to find an address on 1871 census ? Im trying to find Merchants Hill, in Pontnewynydd, Monmouthshire. I have found family at 6 Merchants Hill on 1881 - 1911 census, but cant find them on 1871 census. I dont know where to start searching for Merchants Hill !!
Any ideas on how to search address would be brilliant
Thank you
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A thought - have you tried looking for their 1881 neighbours on the 1871 census?
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Thats a good idea, thanks
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Thats a good idea, thanks
Is their any reason why you cannot locate them by their name/names, if we can help just what is the family name/s?
Keyboard86
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The only address in Monmouthshire to include the word 'Merchant' before 1881 was Merchant Street in Newport (according to an address search using TheGenealogist website).
Maybe the houses on Merchants Hill were built after 1871, or maybe the name of the road was changed. I would suggest you look at old maps of the area to find out what was there pre-1881.
Carol
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Is their any reason why you cannot locate them by their name/names, if we can help just what is the family name/s?
Keyboard86
Details of Jones family in 1881 quoted here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792789.
Carol
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I would suggest you look at old maps of the area to find out what was there pre-1881.
Carol
Unfortunately, the "usual suspects" (FrancisFrith, AlanGodfrey, old-maps and others) don't have any maps earlier than the 1880s. I haven't found a website for older maps of Pontnewynydd yet.
Philip
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I can't find a older map either Philip.
Some of these photographs and their captions show the Merchants Hill Baptist Chapel, which was evidently built in 1888: https://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=83606602
The adjacent houses could well date to the same period, but I'm not an expert in dating old buildings.
Carol
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Details of Jones family in 1881 quoted here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792789.
Carol
For ease of reference, this is a copy of the post on the other thread:
Hello, could anyone help me find William Jones and his family living in Pontnewynydd, Monmouthshire, please.
I have found him on 1911,1901,1891 and 1881 census, but unable to find them before then.
1881 Wales census - living at Merchants Hill, Pontnewynydd
William Jones, 1841, laborer, born Llanfrechfa, Mon
Sarah A Jones, 1851, Glascoed
Harriet, 1865, Llanilleth
Mathew, 1871,Trevethin,
William, 1874, Trevethin
Elizabeth A, 1877, Trevethin
Any help would be brilliant thank you
Jan
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I don't think you'll find them as a family in 1871 as William & Sarah Ann marry in 1872.
On checking the GRO site for maiden names, there's a possible birth reg for Elizabeth Ann dec qtr 1876 Pontypool vol 11a pg 123 mmn Roberts, likewise a possible for William dec qtr 1875 Pontypool vol 11a pg 142 mmn Roberts. No obvious birth reg for Mathew, but the possible for Harriet march qtr 1865 vol 11a pg 124 has mmn Williams.
In Llanhilleth parish church Nov 2 1872 William Jones, full age, widower, labourer of Llanhilleth, father Joseph, labourer, married Sarah Ann Roberts, full age, spinster of Llanhilleth, father John, haulier. Both marked, witnesses William Williams and John Arunell(?)
1871 Pontnewynydd RG10/3561 folio 4 pg 1
Mary Roberts head widow 54 b. Glascoed
John Williams son 26 labourer b. Glascoed
Sarah A dau 19 b. Glascoed
Mary dau 16 domestic servant b. Glascoed
Louisa dau 11 b. Trevethin
Mathew grandson 1 month b. Pontnewynydd
So Mathew would appear to be Sarah Ann's son. Birth reg as Roberts march qtr 1871 Pontypool vol 11a pg 147 no mmn.
Possible first marriage 9 Feb 1863 in Trevethin William Jones 28 labourer of Trevethin, father Joseph, labourer, married Mary Ann Williams 20 of Trevethin, father William, woodward, both marked, witnesses Joseph Wayman & Henry Williams.
Possible death reg
Mary Ann Jones 25 jun qtr 1868 Pontypool vol 11a pg 86
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Wow thank you so much for all of that, thats amazing, will have to digest all of that and get looking at 1871 census again
Jan
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I was looking for Joseph, father of William & found a possible in 1871 but he has a grandson, Frederick W aged 12 living with him which led me to this 1861 census
Rock Hill, Panteague RG9/4010 folio 4 pg 2
William Jones head mar 26 washman tin plate works b. Panteg
Margeret wife 26 b. Trevethin
Eliz A dau 4 b. Trevethin (possibly registered as Eliza Ann dec qtr 1856 mmn Jones)
Frederick W son 2 b. Panteg
and this marriage
25 May 1856 Llantarnam parish church William Jones 22 miner of Llantarnam, father Joseph, sorter to Margaret Jones 22 of Llantarnam, father William, plasterer. Both marked as did their witnesses James & Ann Jones.
The 1863 marriage for William has him as a bachelor so possibly there are 2 William Jones of similar age with father called Joseph in the area.
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