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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: jalrose on Saturday 05 May 18 22:42 BST (UK)
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From Aust I am seeking info on Elsie May Williams who married in 1923 in Aust, stating age 23, born Sunderland (not sure which district that is), father Thomas Edgar Williams, engineer of Auckland NZ, mother Margaret Edwards (decd). (freebdm has an Elsie born in 1902 Sunderland 10a/756).
My basic skills haven't revealed any other information, except in 1892 a Thomas Edgar Williams was appointed administrator of his sister's estate (Emma Elizabeth Williams), which might possibly be the same man. Would anyone care to help please?
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(freebdm has an Elsie born in 1902 Sunderland 10a/756).
Mothers maiden name was Taylor as per GRO online search
What age was Elsie when she died?
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Thank you for helping. Not sure how old Elsie was when she died, waiting on relative to find out.
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Using the GRO search, the only entries for Elsie May Williams with a mmn of Edwards, are registrations in Pontypridd Registration District = 1898 and 1902.
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Thanks everyone. Unknown exactly how old Elsie was when she died. Death index only lists father (Thomas Edgar Williams), not mother. Family estimated 60 years old. However her marriage certificate in 1923 said she was 23 (2 years older than her husband).
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Does the 1923 marriage cert say Sunderland England or just Sunderland?
With her father being an engineer in NZ I just wondered if there was any place there that sounded like Sunderland - straw clutching really
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Sorry, I should have said Sunderland, England. Have probably hit a brickwall, so please don't puzzle over it. Thanks :)
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Emma Elizabeth Williams
died in Winchester in 1891 and she was 65 years old according to the GRO site,
I am not up on probate records but noted her probate was also mentioned in Scotlands indexs
I see in one census her brother is with her as cousin to head of household,and appears to be the child of Robert and Emma Louisa Mary Williams born Bloomsbury ,her brother Thomas Edgar born 1836,not impossible to have a child at 64 but this chap dies in 1910 and makes no mention of your Elsie sorry
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Thank you Radcliffe for shutting down another possibility. Thomas Edgar and his wife are most elusive. One family member apparently had a vague recollection T E was in India for a bit. His occupation on daughters marriage certificate said engineer. I trickled around some free genealogy sites in NZ but it seemed a hopeless task. Appreciate the interest. Thanks all.
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who did Elsie May marry and when please
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Elsie married Arthur Albert Andrews 5/11/1923 in Aust. Age 23, born Sunderland England. Mother deceased ( Margaret Edwards) father Thomas Edgar Williams of Auckland nz engineer ( not present at weddingbecause Elsie signed declaration to say she was over 21). At the time she was living at Marrackville nsw Aust.
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Elsie married Arthur Albert Andrews 5/11/1923
Are you sure about that date? The NSW index has the marriage as 1927.
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Yes, sorry, meant to type 1927. I’m thinking if she didn’t know her mother’s name when she married, she may not have known exactly where she was born either. Thanks anyway.
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I can see her death now and her mothers name isn't on it died 1964
Parramatta
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Yes the current generation knows her life in Aust, just nothing before she married, nor her parents. Hence my throwing it out there to see if anyone could help. As I have said there is very little to go on. Thanks for the interest.
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Can't seeher travelling to Australia either perhaps she went on from Auckland in New Zealand to Australia
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Thanks for you ongoing interest however think it is time to co cede defeat. Appreciate the help. Have good day.
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There's an entry for an Elsie Mary William born 1901 on https://www.sunderland.gov.uk/article/12356/Copies-of-birth-death-and-marriage-certificates
I haven't been able to find a corresponding entry on the GRO site so don't know if mother's maiden name is Edwards, but it might be worth an enquiry for elimination purposes as the name isn't quite the same.
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Fabulous army record including a photo of Albert
gives details of his address and wife Elsie May as next of kin,his date of birth and occupation
Natonal Archives of Australia,some thing to look at till Elsie turns up,
don't give up yet
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Thank you all for the interest. The details after marriage are well known to the family, but pre marriage the mystery. Do remain hopeful, and appreciate everyone’s help and opinions. :)
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There is a 1901 census in Durham for "Thomas William aged 32 born St Gust Cornwall; Margaret aged 33, Bertha 7 and Annie 4". Could someone investigate this for me please?
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Not sure what you mean by investigate. :-\ Seaham Colliery, Durham shown as place of birth for Margaret, and Murton Colliery, Durham for the two children.
1893 birth registration for Bertha WilliamS in Easington District, Durham gives mmn as Brown and Annie in 1896, same district and same mmn.
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Thanks Bumblebee, I was hoping for a mother's maiden name of Edwards, and as it is not, you have put a stop to following an incorrect line. Appreciate that you checked. :)
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Glad to have helped.