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John Lupton born abt 1809 in Leeds married in 1834 Alice Middleton born abt 1812 Barbon Westmorland. Can’t make out who their parents were. Two of their sons James and George went to Victoria Australia and established the Live and Let Live hotel at Barkers Creek Vic. I have a fair bit of information about them and their descendants but nothing much about before they set out from England. James had his wife, Mary Ann Atkinson with him too. I think she was born in Fewston Yorkshire but don’t know anything else about her. Anyone have any clues about John, Alice and Mary Ann please.
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Do you have them in the UK censuses? this looks like them in 1841 at St Peter Street, Leeds, all born in County
John Lupton 30
Alice Lupton 30
James Lupton 6
William Lupton 4
Ann Lupton 2
John Middleton 13
HO107/1347/17 pg 5
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And in 1851 at the same address
John Lupton 40 Leeds, Yorkshire (widower, corn miller)
James Lupton 16 Leeds
Ann Eliza Lupton 12 Leeds
George Lupton 9 Leeds
HO107/2320 / 536 pg 6
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Thankyou. I am not sure about this. Could be but I thought Alice was born in Barbon Westmorland. James, the son who came to Australia, would have been about 6 in 1841. Too many people with the same names is the trouble. I did see an 1881 census with a John and Alice Lupton living in Hampsthwaite Yorkshire but they could be an entirely different couple. ???
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Ann Eliza LUPTON birth reg Jun qtr 1839 Leeds (23/384) and George LUPTON birth reg Dec qtr 1841 Leeds (23/397) both have mother's maiden name MIDDLETON. So I think it's a pretty good chance this is the correct family. Alice's place of birth on the 1841 census could be incorrect?
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Thank you for the info. Appreciate your help. I’ll have to go into it a bit more now. :)
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Alice Lupton died 10th March 1851, cause of death Cancer, and was buried 16th March 1851 in Leeds General Cemetery(Woodhouse) in grave 11273. Lived in St Peter's Street. Informant John Lupton.
Record states Alice born Kirby Lonsdale and her parents were William and Ann Middleton, William's occupation Tailor.
Also in the same grave are Ann Eliza Maude (27) and Farrar Maude (5 months).
Ann Eliza died 11th July 1866 of Parturition(childbirth) and was buried 13th July 1866. Informant Joseph Maude of 25 Paradise Terrace, Dewsbury Road, Leeds.
Farrar Maude died 25th November 1866 of Bronchitis and was buried 27th November 1866. Informant Joseph Maude now living Pemberton Street, Leeds.
Hope this helps,
Ian
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Looking for a marriage of James Lupton and Mary Ann Atkinson turned one up in Doncaster Q2 1857 at St Georges Church, Registered Doncaster 9c 355.
Doncaster is some 25/30miles SE of Leeds.
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Looking for a marriage of James Lupton and Mary Ann Atkinson turned one up in Doncaster Q2 1857 at St Georges Church, Registered Doncaster 9c 355.
Doncaster is some 25/30miles SE of Leeds.
This marriage has James father as John Lupton occ Miller which ties in with 1851.
Mary Anns father was George Atkinson a Plumber.
witnesses Elizabeth & George Atkinson
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Thankyou people. Definitely sounds like the folks I am looking for. Your efforts have made things a lot clearer.
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I wonder if this is Mary Ann ATKINSON in the 1841, at Spring Gardens, Doncaster
George Atkinson 30 Yorkshire (I think it says plumber)
Mary Atkinson 30
George Atkinson 4
Mary Ann Atkinson 8
Thomas Atkinson 25
HO107/1340/28 pg 22
Actually, on second thoughts this may be wrong ... I think George snr is a painter and glazier, as in the 1851:
George Atkinson 39 Doncaster, Yorkshire
Mary Atkinson 42 Owston
George Atkinson 15 Doncaster
Harriet Atkinson 9 Doncaster
HO107/2347 / 392 pg 18
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Hi Maddys52. Thank you. Someone else came up with Mary Ann Atkinson being the daughter of George -a plumber but had the mother's name being Elizabeth. Mary Ann married James Lupton, who was mentioned in my initial query, at Doncaster, apparently in 1857 but could have been earlier because they were supposed to have arrived in Victoria Australia in 1857, with James' brother George. I had one source say they were married in 1855 but that could be wrong. George could have changed professions during the period between 1841 & 1851. Really, it's only Mary Ann's mother's name that's different.
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Also in the same grave are Ann Eliza Maude (27) and Farrar Maude (5 months).
Ann Eliza died 11th July 1866 of Parturition(childbirth) and was buried 13th July 1866. Informant Joseph Maude of 25 Paradise Terrace, Dewsbury Road, Leeds.
Farrar Maude died 25th November 1866 of Bronchitis and was buried 27th November 1866. Informant Joseph Maude now living Pemberton Street, Leeds.
Death notice in the Leed's Times, Saturday, July 14, 1866, Vol. XXXIII, Issue 1738, p.8
"On Wednesday, at Paradise- Terrace, Dewsbury-road Leeds, aged 27, Ann Eliza Maude, only daughter of John Lupton, corn miller, Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia, formerly of St Peter's street, Leeds."
Sounds like John went to Victoria too?
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Thank you. Wow! I’ll have to look into any trace of John in Victoria. The other info I received yesterday from someone but good that you found it too. Appreciate your work.
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It looks like this might be a brother to John (to help find his parents): death notice in Leeds Mercury, Saturday, October 20, 1849, Issue 6046.
"Same day [Wednesday 17 October 1849] at Wakefield, much respected, aged 48, Mr Thos Lupton, brother of Mr John Lupton, of St. Peter's-street in this town."
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Thank you
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Also found a death notice for Alice, Leeds Intelligencer, Saturday, March 15, 1851, Vol. XCIX, Issue 5060, p.8
"Leeds- Monday last, after a long and painful illness, aged 41, Alice, wife of Mr J Lupton, of St Peter's-street."
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Cemetery Leeds General Cemetery (Woodhouse)
Burial Entry 7192
Grave Number 11273
Died (Month) March
Death (Day) 10
Died (Year) 1851
Burial (Month) March
Burial (Day) 16
Burial (Year) 1851
Forename(s) Alice
Surname LUPTON
Age (Years) 41
Birth (Year) 1810
Sex Female
Disease Cancer
Trade Wife
Residence St. Peters Street
Birth Place Kirby Lonsdale
Fathers Forename William
Fathers Surname MIDDLETON
Mothers Forename Ann
Mothers Surname MIDDLETON
Fathers Trade Tailor
Informants Signature John Lupton
Brian
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Thank you for the info. Appreciate all the help I’m getting.
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I wonder if this is John's death in Victoria in July 1867 - not really near Castlemaine, but about the right age?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5773416
"Lupton - on the 11th inst. at Huntly near Sandhurst, Victoria, John Lupton, formerly PPGMMUIOOF, Morning Star Lodge, Leeds, Yorkshire, aged fifty seven years. Yorkshire papers please copy."
I can't see a death reg on the Vic BDM though.
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Also Mary Ann's death notice in 1870 says she was the daughter of George ATKINSON of Doncaster. ;)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article138065486
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Thankyou. Don't know that it would be the right John because wasn't he born circa 1809? The Erringtons would have gone around Bendigo first because they were looking for gold and Huntly is near Bendigo and Castlemaine is not that far from there. I could find only one anywhere near relevant death record for a John Lupton in Victoria from 1877 aged 74 with no details except he was born in Gravesend. Wrong John Lupton. And what does PPGMMUIOOF mean please. Pardon my ignorance. Mary Ann Atkinson is the right gal then. Thanks again.
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A death in 1867 at age 57 puts his birth c1810 by my calculation ;) pretty close I think.
Whilst I don't know exactly what the initials stand for, probably something to do with Freemasonry or Odd Fellows. Need to look up the Morning Star Lodge, Leeds.
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Yes MUIOOF is Manchester Unity Independent Order of Oddfellows
PPGM could be Past Provincial Grand Master
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I could find only one anywhere near relevant death record for a John Lupton in Victoria from 1877 aged 74 with no details except he was born in Gravesend. Wrong John Lupton.
Yes, the death in 1877 is definitely not your John LUPTON. He apparently was a seaman who arrived in 1834
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article148707689
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Hahaha. All I can say is I’ve been up since 5.00am. The brain’s shutting down and time I went to bed. Of course you are right and probably is the right John. Wow! Thanks.
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;D ;D No worries! I know that feeling.
It might be an idea to put a request on the Australia board to see if anyone can find the death registration for John in 1867, as a death certificate from this time should show parents, spouse and children's names (if known). I can't see a registration on the Vic BDM index, but others might have better luck?
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Thank you. I'll do that. The government departments are not generously forthcoming with info here. For instance, I've put a search in for a marriage which definitely took place between 1940-50 in a certain area in NSW and absolutely no results or anything that looked like it. Other info should have popped up about different things too but no. Anyway, I'll get there. It's frustrating but I'm addicted. :)
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Re Alice MIDDLETON's parents - there is a marriage on familysearch for William MIDDLETON and Ann WETHERELL at Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmoreland in 1809 - a possibility.
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A baptism for Alice MIDDLETON at Kirkby Lonsdale on 24 Sept 1809 to parents William and Anne.
Other baptisms to William and Anne at Kirkby Lonsdale:
18 Oct 1812 Jenny Wetherall MIDDLETON
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Looks a definite. Thank you. I’ll be having a look into that. :)
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I am interested to know if you ever sorted out the top end of this family. I am a descendant of John and Alice's son William, his son William James Lupton, born Hartlepool 1866, and his son Frank, born Hartlepool 1903. Frank was my grandfather through my mother Doreen. Before he died, Frank produced a quite detailed record of the extensive Hartlepool family. I don't know where he got the information from, but he recorded that John remarried after Alice died, to a Sarah Blanshard in 1852. He also recorded John's father as Thomas corn miller of Leeds. I live in Durham UK. I was in contact with a descendant of John's daughter, Ann Eliza, who also lives locally. She had a picture of at least one of the brothers, James and George, who went to Australia, standing outside the Live and Let Live Hotel.
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William, born Leeds 1837, also had a daughter called Ann Eliza. It's probably more likely that the person I was in contact with is descended from this one.