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Title: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Tuesday 08 May 18 15:09 BST (UK)

I've been unsuccessful searching for census records or a death record for the Rev John Jones below.
 ???
"MARRIAGES. On the 4th inst. (4th December 1866), at Pencarreg Church, Carmarthenshire, by the Rev Thomas Jones, vicar of the parish, Richard Thomas, Esq, only surviving son of the late Rev W. W. Thomas, B.D., rector of Dinas, Pembrokeshire, and nephew of J. H. Thomas, Esq, surgeon and accoucheur, of Llanfechan, Cardiganshire, to. Catherine Henrietta Jones, youngest daughter of the late Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire."
- from Potter's Electric News 12th December 1866
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Also - "On the 7th inst. at 36, Cambridge-street, Pimlico, aged 26, T. H. Jones, Esq, eldest son of the late Rev. John Jones, vicar of Llansaintffraidaid, Montgomeryshire." - from the Wrexham Register on 16th May 1857.
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Any help will be much appreciated.
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 08 May 18 16:22 BST (UK)

Could this help in finding them in the census
   
Baptism Catherine Henrietta Jones 24 Jul 1839 (born 1835) Denbigh, Denbighshire Parents John and Jane Jones (John was a curate of Denbigh)
Other children bapt with same parents on the same day
Jane Elizabeth b 1829
Thomas Hugh b 1832
John Hughes b 1838

At the time living in Vale St

Kay

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Tuesday 08 May 18 16:27 BST (UK)

Thanks Kay.
I added Thomas Hugh who died in Pimlico in 1857. I think he's living alone in 1851.
I'll try adding the others.
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 08 May 18 16:34 BST (UK)

I think this is the family living at Vale St. Denbigh in 1841

John    Jones  35    Curate    
Jane    Jones 35    
Jane    Jones 12    Denbighshire, Wales    
Thomas    Jones  10 Denbighshire, Wales    
Catherine    Jones 6 Denbighshire, Wales    
John    Jones 3    Denbighshire, Wales    
William    Jones 1    Denbighshire, Wales    
Catherine    Humphry     20 Denbighshire, Wales

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Tuesday 08 May 18 16:47 BST (UK)

Yes. Thank you Kay.
All the family fits here in the 1841 Census. I'll keep adding info to my Anc***** tree.
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:10 BST (UK)

I wonder if this is the parents marriage

March 20, 1828  North Wales Chronicle - Bangor, Gwynedd, Wales
At Llansaintffraid Church near Aberystwyth by the Rev John Hughes Headmaster of Lampeter School,  the Rev John Jones, curate of Denbigh, to Jane, daughter of the late John Hughes, Esq. of Alltwyd, Cardiganshire, and sister in-law of Rev John Williams - rector of the Edinburgh Academy

Kay

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:19 BST (UK)

Thank you Kay.
This looks very likely and explains the name of John Hughes Jones.
I'm now wondering if the Llansaintffraid where John Jones was Vicar was in Montgomeryshire or Cardiganshire.  ???
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:29 BST (UK)

Yes - it does getting rather confusing!!

Kay

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:48 BST (UK)

Found John's death

Rev John Jones Vicar of this Parish age 44 - 31 Aug 1846  Llansanffraid-Ym-Mechain. Montgomeryshire

Kay

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:58 BST (UK)

Other trees on Ancestry suggest Jane died in 1847.
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 08 May 18 18:19 BST (UK)

I can't see a burial for Jane in the same parish in 1847

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Tuesday 08 May 18 18:30 BST (UK)

The other trees don't give a place or date for Jane's death and she may have moved after Rev. John's death.
We have made excellent progress though. I'll post more info if/when I find it.
Thanks a lot.
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Tuesday 08 May 18 20:06 BST (UK)

JONES, JOHN  aged 44 ;     Order
GRO Reference: 1846  Sept Quarter in LLANFYLLIN UNION  Volume 27  Page 50
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This appears to be the death record for Rev John Jones.
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 08 May 18 21:19 BST (UK)

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4364815/4364818/15/

Haven't come across an obituary for his wife as yet...

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 08 May 18 21:31 BST (UK)

inquest into her death 17 March 1847

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4346309/4346312/10/

She was buried 18 march 1847 aged 43 in Lampeter parish church, address noted as Tivy Cottage, Cwmman, Pencarreg

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 08 May 18 21:54 BST (UK)

he didn't leave a will, but there's an administration

https://viewer.library.wales/227231#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&xywh=-33%2C342%2C2767%2C2870

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 08 May 18 22:18 BST (UK)

1851 Lower Street, Llandovery, Carms HO107/2470 folio 298 pg 13
Jane Jones head 21 b. Denbigh, N Wales
Thomas Hugh Jones brother 19 articled medical pupil b. Denbigh
John Hughes Jones brother 13 scholar b. Denbigh
William Henry Jones brother 10 scholar b. Denbigh
Thomas Joseph Greenfield lodger 15 scholar b. Middlesex, Chelsea
Sarah Jeffreys 35 house servant b. Montgomery, Llansantffraed
Elizabeth Christmas 15 house servant b. Carms, Llandovery

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Tuesday 08 May 18 22:54 BST (UK)

Gosh! Thanks very much for all that Osprey.
We now have lots of info about the unfortunate family.
Catherine Henrietta Jones married Richard Thomas in 1866 and they ended up in Kansas, USA.
 :o
I'll add all this to the tree on Anc*****. I bet those with more of a direct line to this family will really appreciate it.
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: osprey on Wednesday 09 May 18 09:08 BST (UK)

William Henry is on the 1881 census in Llanllwni married to Mary with 3 children under 10 and 2 of them were born in Canada. RG11/5436 folio 43 pg 6. Later he's in Llanilar, Cardiganshire.

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Wednesday 09 May 18 17:22 BST (UK)

Thanks very much Osprey.
My closest blood relative is Richard Thomas who married Catherine Henrietta Jones, daughter of John and Jane. The couple emigrated to Kansas about 1871.
I shall go back to entering the Thomas family info compiled by Robert Moseley Bryce Thomas (1840-1937), but will add any more info that we find, of course.
I really appreciate your help.
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: osprey on Wednesday 09 May 18 19:30 BST (UK)

Catherine in 1861

Tower Hill, Fishguard, Pembs RG9/4170 folio 5 pg 4
Catherine H Jones head 25 b. N Wales, Denbigh
William H brother 20 b. N Wales, Denbigh
Elizabeth George 19 servant b. Pembs, Milford

The marriage notices for Rev John Jones & Jane Hughes show his father to be the late Hugh Jones of Lampeter and hers to be the late John Hughes of Alltlwyd, the John Hughes who married them being her brother. The marriage was 11 March 1828.

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3326670/3326673/9/

The NLW holds records for the Hughes family of Alltlwyd, some details here
https://archiveswales.llgc.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?coll_id=20301&inst_id=1&term=Llanrhystud%20%7C%20Wales
so according to this, Jane's brother was John 1805-1852, her parents John 1768-1821 and Jane Edwards, previously married to Thomas Evans of Llanilar. John's father was William, vicar of Llanilar who married Dorothy, daughter of Thomas Evans of Talsarn. There should be wills, but the NLW website is undergoing maintenance this evening.

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Wednesday 09 May 18 19:52 BST (UK)

Excellent. Thanks so much Osprey.
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: osprey on Wednesday 09 May 18 20:35 BST (UK)

bit more...

death notice for John Hughes from 1821

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3324900/3324903/11/

and the one in 1852

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4347750/4347753/22/

1851 census Alltlwyd, Llansantffraed HO107/2484 folio 104 pg 1
John Hughes Esq. head 45 magistrate b. Llanilar
Elizabeth wife 35 b. St Pancras London
Anne dau 11 b. Llansantffraed
Elizabeth Georgiana dau 8 b. Llansantffraed
Jane Maria dau 1 b. Llansantffraed
Robert Jones servant 34 b. Radnorshire
Mary Hughes cook 42 b. Llanbadarnfawr
Margaret Edwards(?) housemaid 27 b. Cyfoethybrenin
Mary Evans nurse 29 b. Llanddewy Aberarth
Anne Owens nurse 18 b. Merionethshire, Llanaber
Mary Evans dairymaid 26 b. Llanychaiarn

Llanilar baptisms online seem to start from 1811 so can't check for Jane's.

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: rkive82 on Wednesday 09 May 18 20:39 BST (UK)

Terrific! I'll add those web links too.
Much appreciated.
Richard

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Isobell21 on Monday 07 October 19 18:07 BST (UK)

Hi Kay,I wonder if you can help me find the birth of my 2XG-Grandfather in Llansantffraid,Gelli banks with his family Margaret (Lewis) son Llewelyn b.1836,daughter Mary b.1839.1941 census.

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 07 October 19 18:25 BST (UK)

Hi Isabell21

Generally it is better  to start a separate thread for a new query, but to clarify was the family surname Lewis and where does Llewelyn list his birth place as later census years??

Kay

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 07 October 19 18:42 BST (UK)

I think this must be the family in 1841 living in Gelli Banks Llansaintffraid - Possibly should have realised the surname was Jones  ;D

Llewelyn   Jones 30   Montgomeryshire, Wales
Margaret   Jones 25   
Llewelyn   Jones 5 Montgomeryshire, Wales
Mary   Jones  2   

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 07 October 19 18:59 BST (UK)

The 1851 census lists his birth place as Llansilin, Denbighshire  so maybe this is his baptism from FindMyPast

Llewelyn Jones
Baptism 24 Jan 1836
Llansilin, Denbighshire
Parents Llewelyn and Margaret Jones   of Pandy Lledrod - Llewelyn is listed  as a Labourer

Kay

Added -I couldn't see his baptism at Llansaintffraid

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Isobell21 on Thursday 10 October 19 16:46 BST (UK)

   
   Yes,this is my family my g-grandfather William was born the following year 1842.They appear again in 1851 census when William is 9 years old

Title: Re: Rev John Jones, Vicar of Llansaintffraid, Montgomeryshire who died before 1866
Post by: Isobell21 on Sunday 20 October 19 20:09 BST (UK)

My g-grandfather worked on railroad and Married Elizabeth Roberts of New Martin,Shropshire,she is working as a servant,

The marriage took place in Staffordshire 1864

Father was Llewelyn JONES

Mother Margaret Lewis

William and Elizabeth returned to New Martin,

They had a son William born in 1867

My grandfather Thomas Edward born Oswestry,1870