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Does anyone have any information on Iris. It appears she left UK about 1922 for Melbourne in Australia. She went back an forth a few times and died in Melbourne (I think). She married a Thomas Diamond and later became Mrs Easton. Does she have family, if so Oz or UK? My maternal side is Watton.
Derek
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The first time she left England as Iris Watton the address given was 1 Beswick Road, Ensbury Park, Bournemouth.
She returned as Iris Diamond going to 1 Beswick Road Bournemouth.
New GRO index
Iris Watton registered June quarter 1899 mothers maiden name Windebank.
1891 census Highfield
Samuel Mac/Mae Watton 36 born Winton
Mary Elizabeth 28 born Benstead
Rudolph 1
Ada J 8
Blanche 7
Gertrude 5
Jessie 3
1901 Census
Samuel Mac/Mae Watton 47
Mary Elizabeth 38
Gertrude 15
Jessie 12
Daisy 10
Frank5
*IRIS 2
Ivy 2
Ada 18
Blanche 16
Rudolph 11 when he marries he is Rudolph Andrew
Wilfred 7
Samuel Mac Watton married Mary Elizabeth Windebank 1881 registered Christchurch.
In 1911 they are at Beswick Road, which ties in with the address given on her trips.
Corrected Street name my typo
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Death in Melbourne:
12250 1972 EASTON Iris May Father's name WATTON Mac Mother's name Elizabeth (Winterbank) Place of birth Hampshire England Place of death Cheltenham aged 73
Death notice: EASTON Iris May Death notice 6-6-1972 Death at RSL Village, Cheltenham The Age (Melbourne) 7-6-1972
Jamjar
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Wow! Thanks for this. In fact it has answered a couple of unasked questions. Jessie would be my G'mother and I could not figure where the Wilfred came from. I always knew him as Uncle Ruddy. I am in NZ now and wondered if any Watton rellies still live in Melbourne.
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Death and funeral notices mention husband, David, children, to both husbands, and grandchildren's names.
Scroll to page 27, or type 14 into the small white box.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m1f/
She was cremated and the ashes collected. I was hoping they were interred in the hope of finding hubby.
Jamjar
Added: VIC marriage - 3210 1920 Iris May WATTON to Thomas DIAMOND
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There is an I M Diamond with master T M Diamond entering Melbourne on the ORMUZ, 24 August 1922, and going to Campbell St, East Kew.
I wonder if son's name was Thomas Mac Diamond, as he is named as Mac in his mother's death notice and if I am reading correctly her father's middle name was Mac.
Jamjar
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I wonder?
DIAMOND Thomas Mac Death notice 9-1-2005 Death 83 at Queen Elizabeth Hospital Adelaide Advertiser 15-1-2005
Amondg, when she arrived UK as Diamond, was husband Thomas or child with her?
Jamjar
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This may confirm Thomas Mac as the son, as his wife was Laurel (deceased) at time of his mother's death:
1971 127A/3835 DIAMOND Laurel Margaret Thomas Mac DIAMOND [H] Adelaide
Jamjar
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Thomas Mac' military file is open:
DIAMOND THOMAS MAC : Service Number - 18962 : Date of birth - 31 May 1921 : Place of birth - MELBOURNE VIC : Place of enlistment - MELBOURNE : Next of Kin - DIAMOND LAUREL
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=4239709
Jamjar
Added: When he enlisted he gave his father Thomas as next of kin, who I think was on active service in New Guinea, if I'm reading correctly, page 33.
Now if father was still alive in '43, and Iris had a daughter to Easton then either she was separated/divorced from Thomas, or she had her daughter after her mid 40s.
On 20-7-40 both father and mother, as Diamond, gave constent for enlistment.
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Thanks Jamjar. A little light has been shed into the riddle.
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When she came back to England 1926 a daughter age 2 was with her.
I expect she has passed on by now but I'm unable to confirm right now, so omitting her name
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Thanks again. You have gave me enough ammunition to make a little progress. I believe that the daughter's name was Lauren Margret. If so then you are correct, she passed in Melbourne 1971, in fact predeceasing her mother by a year. Now to research her twin sister who also ended up in Melbourne.
On a personal note I did not even know of the existence of these two aunts until a couple of days ago. Last month I found an uncle who was a WW2 bomber crew member MIA who came from Canada. Very recently also a 3rd G'Grandmother of Scottish blood who was born and married in Quebec, sadly died early in Poole Dorset. I believe she came from the 78th Highland Fusiliers being posted in Quebec, along with General Wolfe, to fight the French there.
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I believe that the daughter's name was Lauren Margret. If so then you are correct, she passed in Melbourne 1971, in fact predeceasing her mother by a year. Now to research her twin sister who also ended up in Melbourne.
No, the child was not named Laurel Margaret on the shipping list offered by amondg in 1926/1927.
Lauren Margaret was the name of the wife of her son, Thomas Mac.
If you read the links which are in the posts given, the details can be located accurately.
Iris made a few trips back and forth to UK as has been mentioned, and on one occasion in 1939, she took both children.
Sue
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Derek, her daughter's name is in the mother's death notice. It also gives her married name. Guess you didn't read the notice.
There is no evidence that daughter is deceased.
Also, it is LAUREL Margaret as per death notice of Iris, nok on military record and death registration in Adelaide.
Amondg, the reason I thought the daughter was from second husband was because Mac had Diamond in brackets. Now I think it is likely daughter was a Diamond.
Her son Thomas Mac went to live and work in England before returning to Oz and joining the RAAF.
Jamjar
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Death-
Irene Joyce FUSSELL
At Prahran, Victoria
Father Thomas DIAHOND (sic)
Mother Iris
Year 1981
Registration 19041
On the shipping list called Irene.
On the electoral roll and in the death notice of her mother, called Joyce.
Sue
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Irene Joyce FUSSELL
At Prahran, Victoria
Father Thomas DIAHOND (sic)
Mother Iris
Year 1981
Registration 19041
On the shipping list called Irene.
On the electoral roll and in the death notice of her mother, called Joyce.
Sue
19041 1981 FUSSELL Irene Joyce parents Thomas DIAMOND and Iris WATTON place of birth BIRCHIP and death Prahran aged 57.
Springvale Cemetery Fussell Irene Joyce Cremated 24-8-1981
The cremated remains have been scattered
Jamjar
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1944 11422 FUSSELL Geoffrey Lawrence to DIAMOND Irene Joyce
Bunurong Memorial Park Fussell Geoffrey Lawerence Cremated 14-8-1996 The cremated remains have been scattered
Jamjar
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Marriages Sep 1924
GILES Edwin F
WATTON, Ivy R.
Christchurch 2b 1665
Prior to this, she first visited Australia when her sister Iris came. The details of the voyage have been given in part previously.
Ship Omar.
Departed UK 11th June 1921.
WATTON, Ivy.
Aged 22.
Laundress
Previous address, 1 Berwick Rd., Emsbury Pk , Bournemouth.
Ivy returned to England in 1922 per Ormuz.
In 1959 there is a passenger list showing
Mrs I GILES
Born 9/2/99
A housewife.
Last address in England Kingfisher Guest House, Tedhill, Bournemouth.
You might like to indicate what information you need about Ivy and what you already know.
Sue
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Hi Sue. I have gone about as far as I can go with Iris/ Thomas. I am now adding it all into the tree. Now I will start work on Iris and Edwin so any details will be most welcome. I am also working on an element of ancestors in the late 1700's in Quebec. Life is fun.
Amended to reflect the site's policy about living people
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Yes, the grandchildren are likely to be living and as per Rootschat policy of not putting names up of the living, you need to remove their names from your post.
Jamjar
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Done.
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There are actually 4 grandchildren in the death notice, but here is no indication of who their parents are.
Jamjar
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Death VIC:
20339 1985 GILES Ivy Rose parents WATTON Samuel Mac and Mary Elizabeth WINDEBANK, place of birth Bournemouth place of death KEW aged 86
Springvale Botanical Cemetery Giles Ivy Rose Cremated 21-8-1985 The cremated remains have been collected
Jamjar
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Thinking this may be her husband and a son (based on his middle name):
Springvale Botanical Cemetery Giles Edwin Frank Cremated 16-8-1971 The cremated remains have been collected
Springvale Botanical Cemetery Giles Edwin Mac Cremated 23-12-2013 The cremated remains have been collected
19328 1971 GILES Edwin Frank Father's name GILES Unknown Mother's name Unknown (Unknown) Place of birth England Place of death Prahran aged 76
Jamjar
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I found that record this morning here. Thanks anyway. I am bushed, had a long day so a shower and bed for me. Night all.
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Her death notice says gran and great gran of....., but no mention of children.
GILES Ivy Rose Death notice 17-8-1985 Death The Age (Melbourne) 20-8-1985
GILES Edwin (Mac) Death notice 22-1-2010 Death 76 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 26-1-2010
Jamjar
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Hi jamjar. (GILES Edwin (Mac) Death notice 22-1-2010 Death 76 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 26-1-2010) Gotta be some math mistakes. He would have been born 1934? I have him employed on the London & South Western Railway in 1927 when he resigned to be a builder apprentice. DOB there was 1895. This one died 1971 in Prahran Victoria.
Del
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Hi jamjar. (GILES Edwin (Mac) Death notice 22-1-2010 Death 76 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 26-1-2010) Gotta be some math mistakes. He would have been born 1934? I have him employed on the London & South Western Railway in 1927 when he resigned to be a builder apprentice. DOB there was 1895. This one died 1971 in Prahran Victoria.
Del
You are confusing father and son.
Here is the birth of the child Edwin M (ac) in England.
Births Sep 1933
GILES Edwin M
Mother maiden name WATTON
At Poole
Three children to Ivy
It is his death in 2010. listed above
There are 2 other children to the couple Ivy and Edwin GILES born in England.
Sue
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Hi jamjar. (GILES Edwin (Mac) Death notice 22-1-2010 Death 76 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 26-1-2010) Gotta be some math mistakes. He would have been born 1934? I have him employed on the London & South Western Railway in 1927 when he resigned to be a builder apprentice. DOB there was 1895. This one died 1971 in Prahran Victoria.
Del
You are confusing father and son.
Here is the birth of the child Edwin M (ac) in England.
Births Sep 1933
GILES Edwin M
Mother maiden name WATTON
At Poole
Three children to Ivy
It is his death in 2010. listed above
There are 2 other children to the couple Ivy and Edwin GILES born in England.
Sue
And the father's middle name was NOT Mac.
Jamjar
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Hi Sue. I have gone about as far as I can go with Iris/ Thomas.
Well, the death of Thomas has not been found.
He enlisted for ww1 and you can see his digitised record
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/
This is his birth-
Thos DIAMOND
At Avenel, Victoria
Father Thos Diamond
Mother Margt Beaton CUTHBERT
1896 #24963
These parents had several children.
Iris May and Thomas DIAMOND, after their marriage can be seen on the Victorian electoral roll at several different places in Victoria, including Stawell in 1937. About 1939 at Stawell he was declared bankrupt.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11252791
In 1942 Iris May and Thomas DIAMOND are living at 407 Pt Nepean Rd., Mentone and this is the last sighting of them together.
This death notice 1942, for the mother of Thomas DIAMOND implies he lives still at Mordialloc.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11984233
His father died in 1951 and this death notice names his son Thomas as living in Port Melbourne1951.
Certainly no hint he is deceased.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/23042924
However he is not on Electoral Roll.
By 1949 Iris is Iris May EASTON living at the same 1942 address 407 Pt Nepean Rd., Mentone with David EASTON.
By the way, the army file for Thomas DIAMOND husband of Iris contains a letter from Miss Annie CUPIT of Nottingham, whose tone seems urgent. It is in 1920, so just after his discharge.She requests headquarters to pass the "enclosed letter" to Thomas DIAMOND.
Free BMD births is worth a search in respect of this note. :P