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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: parf on Thursday 10 May 18 10:48 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Ive just started back to looking into my Bevan family, and Im looking for Mary Ann Bevan with her family in 1871 and before. From her marriage certificate of 1877 to Llewellyn Thomas, she says she is 21 years old and that her father was William Bevan a collier. On the census after she married she says she was born in Hirwain, her year of birth varies from 1854-1856 on different census.
Trying to find her birth certificate to find out who her mother was, but not having much luck at the moment and cant seem to pinpoint her before she is married, on her marriage certificate it says she is living in Pencoed.
Hope someone can help find her,
Jan
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This is a possible 1861, right area http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Aberdare/Hirwaun
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWMM-LYZ
Does marriage witness give names/any clues there
Cas
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Hello
There is a christening for the older son at Wesleyian chapel Merthyr Tydfil
William Bevan s of William Bevan of Hirwan in the parish of Aberdare and Ann his wife d of John and Ann David 1.1.1832 .
Sons Lewis and Morgan have birth registrations with mother Davis.
William Bevan married Ann Hopkins at Aberdare 25.7.1824 but i can't see if she is a widow or spinster.
Ciderdrinker
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1871 Census
Ann Bevan Head F 69 Ystradgynlais, Glamorganshire
Morgan Bevan Son M 26 Hirwaen, Glamorganshire
Maryam Bevan Daughter F 18 Hirwaen***, Glamorganshire
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Thanks for the finds, I also found them but thought that the mothers age was very old to have an 8yr old (66yrs) so didnt think I was right. According to an old email I just found from 2008, when I requested them to search for Mary Ann Bevan, with father William, a collier, with mother Ann, Rhondda-Cynon-Taff register office says they only have one Mary Ann Bevan with a father William, but he is not a collier, and the mothers name is not Ann !!! I just emailed again today to ask if they have a Mary Ann Bevan with father William and they said they dont have any Mary Anns only Marys !!!
Feel very confused !!
As to the question of witnesses on her marriage certificate of 1877,she married in Bridgend Register Office, they were Thomas Thomas and Catherine Llewellyn
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There is this family in Hirwaen in 1861 :-\
William Bevan 68 Head Coal Miner born Penderyn, Glamorgan
Ann Bevan 66 Wife born Breconshire (Added - I think it also says Ystradgynlais)
William 30 Son Coal Miner b Aberdare
Ann 28 Daur Washerwoman b Aberdare
Morgan 22 Son Coal Haulier b Aberdare
Lewis 16 Son Coal Miner b Aberdare
Mary Ann 8 Daur Scholar
Added: Cas - sorry, I missed that you'd already posted this, I only clicked on your first link (should have gone to that well-known opticians!)
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Have looked at 1871 and Mary Ann is listed as a scholar on the census. She was 18 yrs old at the time, isnt that a bit late to still be a scholar or could she have been studying to be a Nurse ? as I know she was a Nurse/midwife in latter years.
Also have traced that family back to 1851 and 1841 census (I think its them), and there is already a daughter on 1841 census called Mary, so would they then have named another daughter Mary Ann ?
Any ideas ??
Thanks
Jan
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I would think there's a good chance that Mary Ann is William and Ann's grandaughter and her birth may have been registered under a different surname, as if the parents were married, even if they weren't.
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I'm wondering about this BEVAN family as a possibility, although dau Mary doesn't have a middle name :-\
1861 RG9; Piece: 4069; Folio: 18; Page: 29
William Bevan 28 Carmarthern coal miner
Catherine Bevan 30
Mary Bevan 5
Thomas Bevan 2
Jane Bevan 1/12
All others born Aberdare, living Hirwain
1871 RG10; Piece: 5404; Folio: 33; Page: 26
William Bevan, Collier, Carmarthen, Cathrine,
Mary 15, Thomas, Jane
additions to family
William & John
All born Glamorgan, living 58 Tramway Aberdare
1881 RG11; Piece: 5304; Folio: 101; Page: 31
21 East Road Pontypridd
William Bevan 50 coal miner, Carmarthen,
Catherine 50- possible death entry 1881 Jun qtr. Pontypridd age 51
William 18 & John 14
All others born Hirwain
There are these birth entries on GRO indexes, all with same mmn
maybe the birth entries for above children on the censuses above
BEVAN, MARY mmn LEWIS
1856 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 354
BEVAN, THOMAS LEWIS
1859 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 394
BEVAN, JANE LEWIS
1860 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 282
Also
Jane 1861 J qtr. mmn Lewis
BEVAN, WILLIAM LEWIS
1863 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 379
BEVAN, JOHN LEWIS
1867 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 399
possible marriage entry FreeBMD
1853 Merthyr T
William Bevan
Female name on same page
Catharine Lewis
What were the names of Llewellyn Thomas' parents & and any of his siblings - are there any naming patterns?
Are these the names of the children of Llewellyn & Mary Ann Thomas nee Bevan?
Mary A (Ann?)
Margaret/Maggie
David
Llewellyn
Catherine J (Jane?)
William B (Bevan)
Elizabeth
Charlotte
Ivor
Thomas J
GRO Indexes have these two birth entries
BEVAN, MARY ANN mmn GRIFFITHS
1854 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 289
BEVAN, MARY ANN mnn JONES
1858 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 343
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Ooh, thats another option, I wish there was a way of finding out her birth date off somewhere other that her birth certificate. She died in 1933 so missed 1939 register. Would a date of birth been on School records ?
Yes thats her and Llewellyns children, (my granded was Thomas John). Llewellyns parents were David and Sophia, and siblings were Hannah, Thomas, Mary, John and David.
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Hello
Let's look at the Mary Ann's Ladyhawk found born in Merthyr Tydfil.
She's not the one Bevan and Griffiths because that little girl is the daughter of Joseph Bevan and Mary Griffiths living on the 1861 census with grandparents Edmund and Rachel Griffiths.
It looks like the other born Mar 1858 died in June 1858 so no luck there.
So Merthyr Tydfil register office are right when they say there are no Mary Ann's.
It does look like that Mary d of William and Catherine is a more likely prospect.And yes you're right the school records would give a date of birth and usually a father.So you could find a Mary Ann ,father William and have a date of birth and know for certain.How many schools could there be in Hirwan?
Or did she have a gravestone?The date of birth is usually on that.
Ciderdrinker
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Thanks all for trying to solve the mystery !!
If she was only Mary when she was with the family, I wonder why she is so definitely Mary Ann on everything else I have found, Marriage cert, my grandads birth certificate, her headstone in Coychurch (which has no birth dates unfortunately), Midwife record on Ancestry, and all the census after married, all have her as Mary Ann !!
Im guessing im never going to find out much more about her than I already know :(