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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: sadge on Thursday 10 May 18 12:19 BST (UK)
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I am stuck trying to find out what happened to Adam Jackson born 1892/3 in Preston to Elizabeth Jackson maiden name Brindle. I Have 3 of the boys on the 1901 census in the workhouse at Kirkham, I know that Richard Henry is on a ship to Canada in 1905, I have found information to say he arrived in Canada on the 17th May 1905. At one point both Adam and Richard were in Guardians of Poor on Watling Street Fulwood Preston, I have found them on school records which say they lest the workhouse one on the 20th April 1905, this one to Canada and his brother Adam left 5th September 1905 and that is where everything goes cold. A family memember once told me that the youngest two were shipped out to Canada, I also know the family were Catholic.
Whilst in the workhouse in Kirkham they also had their brother William with them but he went on to live with one of his sisters in Poulton-le-fylde, we know he had a hard life and what happened at the hands of people supposed to be caring for him and his brothers.
I would dearly love to find what happened to Adam, I have searched immigration records etc., but nothing, I have also found an Adam Jackson on 1911 census working in Lytham but am not entirely sure this is him.
Any ideas gratefully received. TIA
Susan
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Has this Adam Jackson been discounted? I know the year of birth is a little out :-\
Adam Jackson, age 11
Birth year 1895
Departure: 18th October 1906
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Quebec/Montreal Canada
Ship name Tunisian
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Hi
There's a returning Canadian soldier 19.4.1921 on the Melita
Adam Jackson 27 to Winnipeg employer W J Huxley Winnipeg ,a labourer
His birth was reg Sep 1893 so the age would fit.
Ciderdrinker
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sgf28 thanks for that one Ive taken a look and its a possibility but when i cross reference on the Home Children and look at that year and ship there is only a James Jackson who arrived ??.
ciderdrinker thanks for the info on a returning soldier this might just be him as when you look on free bmd it does come up as september 1893. Its quite sad to think that family were sent away and forgotten about, plus the hardships they endured.
Thank you
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On the Candian Archives site I looked for WW1 Service records. There is a record for an Adam Jackson born 11/08/1893 in Leith Scotland. I imagine this mouldy be the returning soldier on the ship in 1921.
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Details from National School Admissions:
St Augustine's Roman Catholic Junior School
Date of admission:20th January 1902
Richard Jackson,dob 20th November 1890. Address: 16 Russell Street.Last school attended:Poulton
Adam Jackson,dob 25th March 1892. Last school Poulton
Parent/guardian:Henry Bainford?
Then there's this one with a different dates of birth ::)
English Martyr's Roman Catholic School, Preston
Date 29th August 1904
Richard Jackson, dob 6th March 1890. Address:Guardians of the Poor, Watling Street Road.Former school: Union School. Left workhouse: 20th April 1905
Adam Jackson,dob 24th July 1892. Same details as Richard, except left workhouse 5th September 1905
Then there's this one:
St Augustine's Roman Catholic Junior School
Date of readmission: 28th June 1904
Adam Jackson,no date of birth given. Address: Russell Street.
Last school attended: Kirkham
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1901 Census
16 Russell Street, Preston, has a Henry Bamford,50, living with his wife Elizabeth Ann and a couple of boarders, no Jackson children though.
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with mmn Brindle
William Ormskirk district June qtr 1889
Richard Henry registered in Ormskirk district (which matches Lancs bmd of North Meols) in March qtr 1891
Adam September qtr 1892 Preston
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I don't know if you have this but for info
1891 census - living in North Meols
Name Age
Peter Jackson 53 - bricklayer
Elizabeth A Jackson 33
Thomas H Jackson 11 (Thomas Hugh)
Aron Jackson 10 (Ann)
Mary A Jackson 7 (Mary Alice)
Elizabetta Jackson 5 (Elizabeth Ann)
Lubilee Jackson 3 (Jubilee)
William Jackson 1
Richard H Jackson 1/12
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Hi possibly the Elizabeth A Jackson in 1891 married the Henry Bamford at 16, Russell Street in 1901?
Keyboard86
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In 1911 that pair are living with Thomas and Mary Alice Kellett (nee Jackson) in Poulton-le-Fylde
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in 1901
Elizabeth & Henry Bamford are living in Preston 16 Russell Street with son Henry registered as Henry Bamford Jackson mmn Brindle
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:) Great find! Re the ( transcribed Adan Jackson) b 1893 Preston shown as Servant in Lytham 1911 their where two possible candidates b Preston or Ormskirk, the Ormskirk one died aged 0 Ormskirk?
Henry Bamford married Elizabeth Ann Jackson March qtr 1902 Preston 8e 920
Henry B Jackson married Nellie Jackson Dec qtr 1928 Fylde and died Sept qtr 1954 Blackpool aged 54
Keyboard86
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Thank you all of you, yes this is all the same family. Peter Jackson died in Preston in 1898, this is when all the family were split up or so the story goes. I have seen that Elizabeth and Henry Bamford are living with their daughter in Poulton which is also where she died. I recently noticed that Henry Bamford born I think 1900 was registered as Jackson before Elizabeth and Henry married.
Story goes that Henry Bamford disliked the other children and that is how they ended up in the workhouse. William Jackson who is my husbands grandfather came to poulton to live with his sister, and they were a little cruel also. This is where he married.
I do have the Adam Jackson on the 1911 census in Lytham but given his brother Richard Henry left the workhouse in April 1905 and arrived in canada May 1905 Im not convinced as the person who filled me in about William said the youngest two were shipped off to Canada. Adam left the workhouse September 1905, but cannot find much after that, unless it is him in Lytham.
Thank you so much for all your replies it does help when a different set of eyes look.
Susan
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That one in Lytham (actually St Anne’s.) I am not convinced the name in Adam. It is definitely an ‘n’ at the end but I have a suspicion the way the first 2 letters are written that the name could be Alan
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OK the only Alan/Allan I can locate was b 1893 Rochdale, and still there in 1911, maybe the one b Preston used his middle name?
Keyboard86
PS the lower case "d" in the Richard above him, looks the same to me in Adan?
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OK the only Alan/Allan I can locate was b 1893 Rochdale, and still there in 1911, maybe the one b Preston used his middle name?
Keyboard86
PS the lower case "d" in the Richard above him, looks the same to me in Adan?
Looking again I agree
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Again thank you, Ive looked at all the different ways it might be spelt even just putting A Jackson , still nothing other than that one in 1911. Given I was told the 2 youngest got shipped off I am not convinced this is him but given no others pop up it could be. I searched through many WW1 records and not found him yet, but also know that many of the records were destroyed.
Susan
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Hi again, so even if the one in 1911 b c 1893 Preston is not the elusive Adam Jackson who could have emigrated to Canada shortly after his brother, I still cannot locate any marriage or death for this one, or any other likely birth in Lancashire?
Is it a coincedence that the Adam/Adan is in the same relative locality as known family members?
Keyboard86
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Thank, and yes as he is in the same county, although St Annes is a little way from Poulton but a job was a job no matter where. Given we cannot find him further I m going to assume that he did not go to Canada after all. I can find many Adam Jacksons going after 1911 so maybe he did go and join his brother at a later date. I do know from a record I have seen that Richard came back here, as he gave his last address as his brother Thomas in Southport and it matched to census records so knew that was the very same Richard.
Strange thing is that no one ever spoke of him, maybe something happened in the family as it can do. I guess we shall never know.
I cannot thank you enough in helping me try to work all this out.
Susan
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I have just made a discovery. We have a St John Ambulance medal with Adam V Jackson on the back, we assumed for some reason it belonged to my husbands grandfathers uncle who was called Adam also but looking at his records he died in 1893 which explains why Peter Jackson called his new son in 1893 Adam. This medal now cleaned up and more research actually dates to 1924 which means it belonged to Williams brother Adam, not sure if it is from around the Blackpool area but will do more research but proves he was around here somewhere and not in Canada.
I am just trying to work out why Adam V Jackson but do know that William called one of his sons Richard Vincent, so maybe a connection there as Richard Henry went to Canada I know for sure.
Thank you all again
Susan
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Hi again an Adam V married 1919 Ecclesall B and died Sheffield Dec qtr 1952 Sheffield aged 59
Keyboard86
Edit Adam V Jackson on 1939 shows dob as 24th July 1896 married to an Edna in Sheffield, so other than year of birth being 1896 he was born Sept qtr?!
This Adam, was an Adam Vincent Jackson with wife Edna on various West Yorkshire Electoral Registers.
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Yes thank you I have this on my tree :) must have been just after this they moved to Preston which if the story is correct Peter Jackson fell off a roof, I do have his death certificate, but not traced his burial as of yet which I assume would have been in Preston. When I have more time will delve more into that.
Many many thanks
Susan
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:) I really wish you had told us you had an Adam Vincent Jackson in your tree?!
Keyboard86
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Keyboard86 I dont have Adam Vincent Jackson in my tree, as far as birth record was concerned it was just Adam Jackson, I am assuming the medal we have belongs to Williams brother Adam, and when I took a look yesterday to try and date it, noticed that there was a V in the middle. Im sorry if I confused you . As they are catholic I guess when Adam (if he did) get confirmed he chose that as a middle name, I really do not know, as these are only assumptions. Think I will send off for his birth certificate and see if there is an initial on there.
Susan
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:) Fair enough, I would love to know where the Adam Vincent Jackson who married in 1919 was born, this one worked on the Railway, and I must admit the possible children's names do not appear to tie up with the family of Peter?!
Keyboard86
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As the 1939 records are free this weekend on ancestry took a look at this Adam Vincent Jackson and date of birth given was 24.7.96, on the nation school records one of the birth dates given for Adam was 24.7.92. A coincidence maybe or is this him? I need to see what his childrens names are just to see if any are like some we have. Time will tell. But thanks for all your help
Susan
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Hi again, 1892 or 1893 Preston?
Keyboard86
PS As I said, possible childrens births do not appear to contain any of his own family members if correct Adam?!
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Lancashire BMD says 1893 but school records say 1892, his stepfather Henry Bamford put him down as 25.3.92 and then on another school record it says 24.7.92, so I will say now 92. Confusing
Susan
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Lancashire BMD says 1893 but school records say 1892, his stepfather Henry Bamford put him down as 25.3.92 and then on another school record it says 24.7.92, so I will say now 92. Confusing
Susan
Hi again, you may need that marriage 1919 to confirm whether it is him or not, the possible childrens births do not bode well with me, but you never know?
Have you ordered the 1893 birth?
Keyboard86
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Not yet but will this coming week, and then maybe the marriage certificate. When I have the birth certificate I will post on here confirming dates. I see on the death record for Adam V Jackson it does give his birth on there as 1893 not 1896 as on the 1939 record so I am a little hopeful :)