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Hello
I am wondering how Rebecca RUSSELL, was Niece in the DUNHILL Household in 1851, please?
1851 Census - West Riding
William DUNHILL, Head, Marr, 54, Ship Owner, born Selby, Yorkshire.
Catharine DUNHILL, Wife, Marr, 49, born Foldingworth, Lincolnshire.
Rebecca RUSSELL, Niece, Unmarr, 14, born Selby, Yorkshire.
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Some general research on DUNHILL (spelt Dunnill)
My Selby Transcriptions ...
20th March 1797 William DUNNILL bapt 1st son of William & Mary, Selby, Painter,
Descent:-
Wm son of Wm Dunnill of Thorne, Innkeeper by Winifred his wife dau of Richd Pretious of Carleton, Farmer. Mary dau of Thos Heald of Carcroft, Austen Parish, Butcher by Dorothy his wife.
Born 18th Mch.
1851 Admon record for Richard Russell, record says he was a widower and reference to Wm Dunhill.
Newspapers
8th April 1824
The sloop Wake, Dunhill, from Selby for London, was towed into Harwich with the loss of the boom and mainsail.
Leeds Intelligencer, 11th January 1827
A few days ago, at Selby, aged 58, Mr. Wm. Dunhill, of the Duke of York Inn, in that place.
Also found this:-
Hull Packet, 6 September 1833 ...
On Sunday week, aged 26, Eliza, wife of Mr. D. Mitchell, of the Three Crowns Inn, in this town, and daughter of the late Mr. Wm. Dunhill, of Selby.
Wm Dunhill of Barlby Bank, near Selby.
Newspaper 22nd February 1840
Extract of a paragraph regarding Mr. Gutteridge Ship-builder at Selby:-
... another, a large brig for the Messrs. Standering and Co., the extensive ship owners of Selby ; and the other, a fine schooner for Wm. Dunhill, Esq., of Barlby Bank, near Selby. The building of ships is productive of great good in the town of Selby, employing as it does so great a number of men and boys a great wages.
Thank you.
Mark
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Rebecca Russell was baptised at Selby, 26 June 1836, parents Richard & Mary.
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Faldingworth, Lincs - 26 January 1821 - by Licence
William Dunhill of Selby, bachelor and Catharine Hinds otp with consent of John Hinds the natural father. John and Elizabeth Hinds were two of the witnesses. All signed their names.
Added: Bond/Allegation states that William is aged 23, and Catharine 21.
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Rebecca Russell was baptised at Selby, 26 June 1836, parents Richard & Mary.
Richard Russell and Mary Turner, both of the parish, married at Selby on 7 July 1835.
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Thank you for replies.
Sorry, but you'll have to spell it out, please.
I can't see the link yet?
I'm hopeless when someone says they are a Niece or Nephew of someone.
Mark
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We can’t spell it out because the link has not yet been found. These things tend not to be instantaneous :)
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No link yer.
Rebecca has a Sister Elizabeth christened 1 April 1838 Selby.
GRO Index has her Birth Reg as Mothers mn TURNER
As already posted by avm228 Richard married Mary Turner 7 July 1835 Selby
I cant find them 1841 Census.
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Did Richard die?
RUSSELL, RICHARD, age 31
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in SELBY Volume 23 Page 384
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Burial at Selby - 15 November 1840 - Richard Russell aged 30.
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Did Richard die?
RUSSELL, RICHARD, age 31
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in SELBY Volume 23 Page 384
Hi
Thank you very much for your efforts so far.
Yes, it does look like Richard dies.
In my original post ...
1851 Admon record for Richard Russell, record says he was a widower and reference to Wm Dunhill.
There are bits & pieces posted here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792827.msg6490618#msg6490618
Mark
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BUT Richard Russell, a widower in 1851 (Admon) cannot be the same Richard Russell who dies in 1840 :-\
AND, you now have two threads pursuing the same people :-\
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BUT Richard Russell, a widower in 1851 (Admon) cannot be the same Richard Russell who dies in 1840 :-\
He could be, if there was a delay in applying for letters of administration, but we are not told enough about that.
it would have been helpful if the Russell material from the other thread had been provided at the outset, so that we did not spend time finding material which was already known.
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Hello
I am sorry not to have put the link on straight away.
Regarding another thread, I specifically wanted to ask the Niece question.
Added: I have not seen & don't have the actual Administration.
Thank you, Mark
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So: possible timeline:
1835 - Richard Russell and Mary Turner marry at Selby.
1836 - Rebecca Russell - baptised at Selby, daughter of Richard and Mary
1838 - Elizabeth Russell - baptised at Selby, daughter of Richard and Mary
1838 - Mary Russell - burial at Selby, aged 26 - GRO says 25.
1840 - Richard Russell buried - Selby, aged 30 - GRO says 31
1849 - Mary Russell buried - 15 months, youngest daughter of Mrs Russell of Selby, no birth registration ??
1851 - Administration - Richard Russell, widower of Selby. Not sure where you have seen William Dunhill connection :-\
So we are still looking for a connection between William Dunhill and Richard Russell.
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Hi Bumblebee
Thank you.
Here is the Administration Listing (indexed by TNA, Kew as 1851) ...
RUSSELL Rich'd, Wm DUNHILL, Barlby Bank, Selby, PC York, Vol. 2, Folio 343.
There was a Ship Owner, Wm DUNHILL, at Barlby Bank (a mention from newspaper in my original posting.
I have not reduced image, to make it clear to read.
Mark
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Obviously a different source:
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Hello
Your Admin entry confirms Richard RUSSELL to be a Widower.
In December 1840 Wm DUNHILL, Esq., of Barlby Bank, Selby, has had a new Schooner built and she was named "Harriet". Almost certainly to be named by the owner after a family member, Wife or Daughter, etc.
Mark
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Parents of Catherine Hinds?
Marriage Faldingworth Lincolnshire 14 Feb 1792
John Hinds and Elizabeth Russel
William
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Parents of Catherine Hinds?
Marriage Faldingworth Lincolnshire 14 Feb 1792
John Hinds and Elizabeth Russel
William
Hello
Thank you William, but isn't that Elizabeth Russell, one generation too far backward?
My Niece is my Sister's Daughter. I know I am her Uncle, as she calls me Uncle Mark.
(or My Niece is my Brother's Daughter).
Somebody else appears to be asking about Captain William Dunhill.
Mark
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/dunhill/8/
Claimed here in the link that William & Catharine Dunhill and Rebecca Russell went abroad ...
"Trying to locate information about Captain William Dunhill, husband of Catharine Hinds Dunhill. Information we have from the Faldingworth Parish records indicates a William Dunnil of Selby, Yorkshire, and Catherine Hinds were married 26 January, 1821, with the consent of John Hinds, her natural father. John Hinds was my GGG Grandfather.
Some 30 years after this marriage (August 1851) they moved to the Caledonia, Ohio area from England. Catharine died November 22, 1868 her Obituary (which I have) mentions her husband Capt. William Dunhill. They also had an adopted daughter Rebecca Russell Dunhill who died November 6, 1862 at the age of 26. We know that Catharine and Rebecca are buried in the Thew Cemetery (sometimes called the English cemetery), Claridon Township, Marion County, Ohio. Shortly after Catherine's death, William disposed of several pieces of property and evidently left the state. Note the spelling of Dunnil as used in England was changed to Dunhill here in America. It is believed that William would have been born sometime prior to 1800."
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I think we have to take the relationship niece with a pinch of salt. She's probably related in some way but not in the way we imagine. Niece was likely the closest they could come up with - not really space to describe the relationship accurately even if they could (daughter of sister's first husband for instance). If the family can be worked backwards and sideways, to include remarriages if any, it will no doubt become plain.
I have relatives described as lodgers and boarders, who I'd never have recognised as relatives if the surname hadn't rung bells, and others just as relative. On the up side, niece probably means not too distant.
Jane :-)
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Not quite sure why you are dismissing the 1792 marriage. Catharine is supposedly aged 49 in 1851 census, making a birth year of 1802 and marries in 1821 - supposedly 21, and her natural father is named as John. So not unreasonable that she is the daughter of John and Elizabeth.
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Faldingworth - 19 April 1801 - baptism of Catharine daughter of John and Elizabeth Hinds.
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Parents of Catherine Hinds?
Marriage Faldingworth Lincolnshire 14 Feb 1792
John Hinds and Elizabeth Russel
William
Hello All
Thank you William, I'll take this Elizabeth Russel who married John Hinds 1792 to be the link, for thy Census Niece.
I have checked the 1792 Faldingworth Marriage image (viewer image 13) on Lincs to the Past and it says Elizabeth Russel of this Parish Spinster.
Do we know how Richard RUSSELL a Capt. who married Mary TURNER, at Selby, 7th July 1835, of the Parish of Selby, links up to Elizabeth Russel please?
Thank you, Mark
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Hello
Thank you all for the replies.
According to Claire, it seems William Dunhill had a Sister called Harriet Chambers and was back in Yorkshire by the 1871 Census.
Likely, where the name for Dunhill's Schooner "Harriet" came from.
Mark
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Hello
The father of Rebecca Russell was Capt. Richard Russell of the Fama. Richard Russell married Mary Turner at Selby in 1835, wits John Midwood & Hannah Creaser. The Fama had previously been sailed by Dunhill (before c.1835) and before Dunhill, by Turner (likely to be the Son or descendant of Charles Turner who married Maudland Hood at Selby in 1794).
I now have a Birthplace for Richard Russell, born Hawick, age 26 in 1835 so Richard Russell was born about 1809, but cannot find a Birth / Baptism?
Richard Russell was buried at Selby, Yorkshire, aged 30 in 1840.
Snippet about Richard Russell's Birthplace recently posted here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792827.msg6906263#msg6906263
Added:
Despite trying, I should like to trace Richard Russell's Birth / Baptism, can anyone else have a try, please?
I only have an Earl Russell of Hawick 18th Century to 1830 (newspaper), a Lord John Russell (linked with Minto near Hawick 1840s) and an Alexander Russell, Hawick (from newspapers 1830s & 1840s).
Also a Rev. Russell of Hawick, apparently Father of John Scott Russell (J. Scott Russell & Co., Ship Builder of the SS Great Eastern). Designer Isambard Kingdom Brunel.
Mark