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Hi, could any one help find the Inquest for Elizabeth Horne dated 9 Jan 1893 in Leeds. I've got the death cert which states she died from Heart Disease so I'm wondering why it went to the Coroner.
Also her last address was Middle Garden Walk, Upper Accommodation Road, I'm presuming this is Leeds. Could the address be part of a hospital or house as I can't understand why she is in Leeds.
Thanks for any help
Jacqueline
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You can see Middle Garden Walk on the 1891 map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/Map/431436/433221/13/100431 you may have to change the zooom level.
Stan
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If there was a inquest then it is unlikely that any records survive.Individual Coroners decide what happens to the papers very many of them were destroyed by the coroner. It is a simple enough matter to enquire at the appropriate county record office, which will almost certainly know what is available and where it is.
Stan
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Thank you Stan for your help.
Jacqueline
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Hi
The inquest might have been in the local paper.
Some Yorkshire coroners records are on Ancestry.
John
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Looking at the 1891 map, the location of Middle 'Garden' Walk was in that part of Leeds called Richmond Hill.
One of the poorest areas, slum housing occupied by a large influx of Irish people.
Plenty of churches in the area together with the local almshouse near St Saviour's Church.
[Have a look at Leodis website, enter Richmond Hill to view]
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Hi Calverley Lad, I can't understand why Elizabeth was living in Leeds as they came from Barnsley I did wonder if it could have been a hospital. The death cert is the only reference I've got for her living in Leeds so its a bit of a mystery.
Thanks for your help
Jacqueline
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Thanks John for your help.
Jacqueline
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Hi, could any one help find the Inquest for Elizabeth Horne dated 9 Jan 1893 in Leeds. I've got the death cert which states she died from Heart Disease so I'm wondering why it went to the Coroner.
Hello Jacqueline
Possibly a sudden death unknown cause.
Does the certificate say heart disease certified 2 weeks (or other period), suggesting the heart trouble was known about before death?
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I have seen a 20th Century Certificate where someone died after a fall, which occurred whilst in hospital and that Verdict was by Inquest.
Mark
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Hi Mark, Death certificate says the cause of death is Heart Disease Natural Causes, so if its natural causes I wonder why there was a need for an inquest.
Thanks for your help
Jacqueline
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Hi Mark, Death certificate says the cause of death is Heart Disease Natural Causes, so if its natural causes I wonder why there was a need for an inquest.
Thanks for your help
Jacqueline
There are, however, exceptions to this general rule; sometimes, the precise circumstances of death are only determined at inquest, and a coroner might then be able to give a verdict of natural causes.
See http://jcp.bmj.com/content/53/5/340
Stan
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Thanks for your help Stan.
Regards Jacqueline
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Hi, could any one help find the Inquest for Elizabeth Horne dated 9 Jan 1893 in Leeds. I've got the death cert which states she died from Heart Disease so I'm wondering why it went to the Coroner.
Hello Jacqueline
Possibly a sudden death unknown cause.
Does the certificate say heart disease certified 2 weeks (or other period), suggesting the heart trouble was known about before death?
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Mark
Hi Mark, Death certificate says the cause of death is Heart Disease Natural Causes, so if its natural causes I wonder why there was a need for an inquest.
Thanks for your help
Jacqueline
There are, however, exceptions to this general rule; sometimes, the precise circumstances of death are only determined at inquest, and a coroner might then be able to give a verdict of natural causes.
See http://jcp.bmj.com/content/53/5/340
Stan
Hello Jacqueline
If a person drops dead suddenly or collapses and is pronounced dead, the cause of death to begin with appears sudden and unknown, perhaps even unatural. The Coroner would have been notified and relatives and witnesses would be called to an Inquest (probably at a local public house), usually that evening or the following day.
The Coroner after Inquiring was obviously satisfied either by the witness evidence and/or an Examining Doctor present that heart disease caused the death and therefore has returned natural causes.
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I have an 1870 example of an ancestor's brother, William Hood dying 5th July 1870 aged 54 who had been out digging up potatoes at his home called Byefield that morning, walked about two miles into the nearby town of Selby, and collapsed in front of his mother Sarah Hood at their premises and died. They still had an Inquest, it appeared he had been troubled before, but died suddenly from natural causes, probably heart disease, was returned.
Mark
Added: do you have the Coroner's name and building name / pub name where the Inquest was held? Due to OCR scanning of old newspaper type face, I cannot find her searching name only? Not all were published.
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Hi Mark, That explanation makes more sense to me, she was only 23 years old.
I've attached the coroners name.
Thanks for your help
Jacqueline
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Hello Jacqueline
Young age too at 23 years old!
Stan's point about that the Coroner wants to establish "the precise circumstances of death" is relevant.
If witnesses were present, the Coroner would likely want to hear first hand what they saw, any mention of pains or health complaints previously, especially if death occurred suddenly or was unatural. Witnesses giving evidence, swear an Oath first.
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Not much, but regarding Jno C Malcolm
The Yorkshire Evening Post, Monday 9th January 1893
Two of the deaths inquired into at the Town Hall that afternoon, got into the evening newspaper ...
CAUGHT IN THE FLAMES.
LEEDS AND HORSFORTH BURNING FATALITIES.
This afternoon, the Leeds Borough Coroner, Mr. J. C. Malcolm, held a court at the Town Hall, one of the deaths inquired into being that of Ben Appleyard, aged five, of Cragg Hill, Horsforth, who died at the Leeds Infirmary ...
Mr. Malcolm also held an Inquest upon the body of Isabella Burnell (47), of 11, Blackburn Yard, Holbeck Lane, Leeds, who was admitted to the Infirmary on Friday ...
Both were accidental death. Reference to a Jury in the first case above.
Leeds Coroner 1927 to 1993
Looks like those files went to WYAS, Wakefield
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F219247
Pity, looks like 1927 is the earliest for Leeds
https://huddersfield.exposed/offtherecord/index.php/Coroners_records
Mark
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Hi Mark, I do appreciate all the help I've been given. I'm a person that likes to know from the thread to the needle (as they say) but its not always possible. I am going to Wakefield Archives so I will see if they can tell me anything different then I will have to leave it at that.
Thanks again to everyone
Jacqueline