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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: deoxy on Sunday 13 May 18 01:28 BST (UK)
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Hello I can't find a marriage for Leonard John Rolls b. 1879 Wantage, Berkshire and Charlotte Hunt b. 1862 according to the 1939 register.
Leonard married Rosa Collins in Newbury, Berkshire in 1901. Rosa and Leonard had a son Leonard John in 1904 Wantage, then he has a daughter Ethel in Wandsworth 1912 (Charlotte's), a daughter Mabel 1913 Wandsworth, (Charlotte's).
Then Lottie b. 1916 Wandsworth mother's name Charlotte Rolls formerly Collins instead of Hunt and the same for the birth of Frederick 1917 Wandsworth.
Next in 1920 is Albert George in Lambeth (Rosa's) and finally Dorothy 1922 Lambeth (Rosa's)
He dies in 1939 in Bournemouth and Charlotte is a widow living there with Frederick, George, Mabel and one other. If anyone can make any sense of this it would be very helpful. Thanks.
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So, I hope I haven’t got he wrong end of the stick here but... are you saying Charlotte b 1862 is the mother of children the first of whom is born in 1916 when she would have been 54?
How about the woman in the 1939 being a mother in law?
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Good point about the age. I had another look and I thought it said her age was 77 but it's her birth year... Thanks. I don't know why two of the birth certificates have Charlotte's first name and Rosa's surname... ???
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I see Leonard John in 1911, married but boarding, where is Leonard junior and presumably Rosa? (Or Charlotte?)
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Are these the births you see -
ROLLS, Leonard John mms COLLINS
1904 SepQ WANTAGE 02C / 314
ROLLS, Ethel May mms HUNT
1912 MayQ WANDSWORTH 01D / 1169
ROLLS, Mabel mms HUNT
1913 JanQ WANDSWORTH 01D / 1113
ROLLS, Lottie mms HUNT
1916 MayQ WANDSWORTH 01D / 1082
ROLLS, Frederick Charles mms HUNT
1917 JanQ WANDSWORTH 01D / 915
These last two births.....??
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On the actual certificates it has the mix of names...? I can't find Len jnr, Rosa or Charlotte in 1911.
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1924 to 1928 its Rosa with him on the electoral roll
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Thanks. That's interesting.
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Who is the informant on each birth cert?
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Where was Rosa from? And who were her parents?
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Also possibly?
ROLLS, Rosie Amelia mms COLLINS
1902 DecQ NEWBURY 02C /242
ROLLS, Lilian Marie Kathleen mms COLLINS
1907 JanQ NEWBURY 02C / 269
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Then Lottie b. 1916 Wandsworth mother's name Charlotte Rolls formerly Collins instead of Hunt and the same for the birth of Frederick 1917 Wandsworth.
Are you saying that you have these birth certificates and the GRO index is wrong?
ROLLS, Lottie mms HUNT
1916 MayQ WANDSWORTH 01D / 1082
ROLLS, Frederick Charles mms HUNT
1917 JanQ WANDSWORTH 01D / 915
Debra :)
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To confirm, and from GRO site........these births, 1916 and 1917, have mms HUNT.
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From 1939 Register, I see this -
ROLLS Charlotte b. 8 Feb 1877 widow
ROLLS Mabel b. 13 Mar 1913 single (this later notated WILLIAMS)
ROLLS Frederick b. 19 May 1917 single
ROLLS George b. 25 Dec 1919 married
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And George’s dob does seem to match the later death of an Albert George so that puts paid to my theory that there were two families. Ie two different Leonard Johns. (There are enough of them around)
Given that he does seem to have had a sister Amelia. I think those two extra births Rosie Amelia and Lilian Marie Kathleen in Newbury are very likely to belong especially as I can’t find them in 1911 either !!!
Did Lottie die age 3 Christchurch, Hampshire?
is there a death for Rosa anywhere?
You didn’t give details about Rosa’s family. I had wondered if she was with them in 1911 and there has been a transcription error
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Bit of a smudge for George in 1939, I don’t think you can be sure he is married
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Hello. I don't know who the informant was on the birth certificates. Someone else has them but I can ask. I don't know why it says Hunt on the GRO index... and something different on the certificate. I'll have to get my own copies.
I don't know anything about Rosa's family although I've tried finding out online. I remember seeing the wedding certifcate for her and Leonard a long time ago. I've just lost a box of certificates while moving but I know it's here somewhere. It might be in there. Thanks for finding the two extra births for Rosa.
Yes Mabel married Thomas Williams. Albert George married Elizabeth Merritt in Wantage as far as I can see from records and had four children. I'm just provisionally assuming that was right as his father came from Wantage although Albert George was born in Lambeth... , Frederick married Pauline Smith in Bournemouth. Thanks to all who are helping.
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Sorry the surname on the certificate was Hunt and was registered by the mother but the first name given was Rosa instead of Elizabeth ??? Rosa's father was Peter Collins according to the marriage certificate and she was born in 1877.
I don't think George (Albert George) married Ellen Merritt. I found another Albert George living in Wantage who was probably the right person.
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I’m getting confused. Can you please recap, in a list, just what names are on what certificates?
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Rosie Amelia 1902 Newbury, no certificate but mothers maiden name Collins. Same for Leonard John 1904 Wantage and Lilian Marie Kathleen 1907 Newbury.
Ethel May 1912 Wandsworth mm name Charlotte Elizabeth Hunt, Mabel 1913 Wandsworth... same.
Lottie 1916 Wandsworth mm name Rosa Hunt and the same for Frederick Charles 1917 Wandsworth.
Albert George 1920 Lambeth, mm name Rosa Collins and the same for Dorothy Ruby 1922 Lambeth.
Thanks.
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You, personally....not another researcher...... have these eight birth certificates?
Leonard John 1904 Wantage
Lilian Marie Kathleen 1907 Newbury.
Ethel May 1912 Wandsworth mm name Charlotte Elizabeth Hunt,
Mabel 1913 Wandsworth... same.
Lottie 1916 Wandsworth mm name Rosa Hunt
Frederick Charles 1917 Wandsworth.
Albert George 1920 Lambeth, mm name Rosa Collins
Dorothy Ruby 1922 Lambeth.
You do not have this certificate -
Rosie Amelia 1902 Newbury, no certificate but mothers maiden name Collins.
If not, then can you say what certificates you have.
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Nobody has the certificates for Rosie and Lilian so far. I don't have the rest of the certificates myself.
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I had missed Rosie and Lilian till you mentioned them and they appear to fit. Rosie I think is in the 1939 census.
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I have used GRO births search for the ROLLS births I have listed.
Each ROLLS birth gives given name / names for child, and family name for mother.
Where are you seeing given names for mother and father for these births?
Describing your research interest - you are researching the origins of this woman, Charlotte ROLLS?
Register 1939
ROLLS Charlotte b. 8 Feb 1877 widow
ROLLS Mabel b. 13 Mar 1913 single (this later notated WILLIAMS)
ROLLS Frederick b. 19 May 1917 single
ROLLS George b. 25 Dec 1919 married