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hello all I do so hope you can help me my gr gr grandmother nee Martha anne orr father james married james peden/pedan 1 jan 1850 aghadowey Londonderry N Ireland I understand that she had three children from her first marriage annie mary William Samuel
she then married james orr I don't know when or where but I'm told she had a further two children Elizabeth and jean with mr james orr
the daughter Annie mary peden/pedan married Thomas james lamon / lamont 6 june 1902 coleraine reg office annie and thomas are found 1901 mullnabroan garvagh Londonderry
I would be more than gratefull for any help at all as I know nothing of Martha ann's husbands mr peden/pedan or mr orr
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The 1850 marriage shows her spouse's father.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG6H-GXR
you claim 3 kids from the first marriage, when & where were the kids born?
and same for the second marriage kids, when & where?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Record_Office_of_Northern_Ireland
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thank you for the information found,
I'm sorry but I have no more to go on, other than the 1911 census states that Elizabeth Orr who is listed as a half sister 17yrs is born in Scotland
Annie (lamont nee peden) is listed as 28yrs born Co Derry married 8yrs
I am going from family information, word of mouth and a very poor next to nothing information wise family tree
any help at all would be more than appreciated
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You presumably know which country/ town they were in in 1911?
Care to share?
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Birth of James Peden (Pedin) 1867 parents James and Martha
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03478/2277847.pdf
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thank you for the information found,
I'm sorry but I have no more to go on, other than the 1911 census states that Elizabeth Orr who is listed as a half sister 17yrs is born in Scotland
Annie (lamont nee peden) is listed as 28yrs born Co Derry married 8yrs
I am going from family information, word of mouth and a very poor next to nothing information wise family tree
any help at all would be more than appreciated
Do you mean that Elizabeth is shown as half sister to Annie Lamont or half sister to Thomas Lamont?
This is odd - I wonder if it is a mistake
The marriage of Annie and Thomas shows Annie’s father as John Malone ???
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10271/5738001.pdf
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the daughter Annie mary peden/pedan married Thomas james lamon / lamont 6 june 1902 coleraine reg office annie and thomas are found 1901 mullnabroan garvagh Londonderry
I would be more than gratefull for any help at all as I know nothing of Martha ann's husbands mr peden/pedan or mr orr
The census is 1911 not 1901 - here it is
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Bovagh/Mullinabrone/590654/
Elizabeth shows as half sister and that should be to Thomas but they may mean to Annie though.
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There is a Lizzie Orr 7 yrs b Scotland in 1901 Drumcroon, Londonderry. She is visiting William Jane Smyth and family.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Drumcroon/Ballyclough/1516357/
The child Alfred Smyth’s birth https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02607/1962579.pdf
Shows mother Jane as formerly Peden.
You would need the birth of Elizabeth.
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Do you have an incline as to which area in Scotland which could narrow things down immensely?
Annie
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If Martha was married in 1850, would she be having a child in 1890s?
Annie Lamont shows as 28yrs in 1911 - she would be born abt 1883.
It doesn’t seem right. ???
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wow that's fantastic ... sorry it took me a while to work out how to send message back to you all I'm pretty shore that Elizabeth is half sister to annie
I understand that Martha had annie mary , William and Samuel when married with the name peden/pedan and Elizabeth b. Scotland and jean with 2nd marriage of orr
I know its a strange one this orr married peden and then back to orr again
sorry i know nothing of the area of scotland at all
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It seems unlikely with the age though if she married in 1850.
Could you have the generations mixed up perhaps?
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I don't know we had a family tree done and it states this info but no dates only the info I have given you
any chance you could help finding the the birth of annie mary peden that might put me on the right track
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This is perhaps Martha in 1901 with son James
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Bovagh/Cullyramer/1519586/
I gave a birth for James to James Pedant and Martha Orr. James was a shoemaker.
Here is a death for James, 74 yrs in 1897, a shoemaker reported by son James.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05850/4657879.pdf
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yes I see what you mean as if Martha is married 1850 and annie is 28 in 1911 well that's a big gap indeed although annie should have been about 22 when married going by the census saying shes 28
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Marriage 1903 James Orr Peden, widower - Father James Peden, shoemaker.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10252/5731211.pdf
Same James in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Downhill/Freehall_Dunlop/588466/
Perhaps there were two James Peden/Martha Orr marriages :-\
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now that would not surprise me in the least I'm just going to look at your new one and will come back to you
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Birth 1882
Annie Mary Paden mother Margaret Ann Paden presumably not married
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02786/2022640.pdf
Perhaps if this is her with a single mother, it could account for her father showing as John Malone :-\
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You have a lot of sorting out to do if this is the family.
Here is a marriage for a Margaret Peden to Thomas Gibson - her father James, shoemaker
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10613/5866590.pdf
Here are the Gibsons in 1901 - she has a daughter Martha
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Garvagh/Mettican_Glebe/1519903/
There are a lot of Pedens in the area and if Margaret Gibson were Annie Mary’s mother it would not account for Elizabeth Orr, half sister.
None of this shows Samuel or William.
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Possibles & downloadable from SP...
Marriage (would give both sets of parents names with both mothers m/s)
ORR JAMES & PEDEN MARGARET 1889
646/3 286 Partick (Glasgow City)
Births (depending on how accurate the age was on 1901 census)
ORR JANE 1890
646/3 1288 Partick
ORR ELIZABETH 1893
646/3 993 Partick
ORR ELIZABETH 1895
646/3 140 Partick
Those may be way off but may be worth checking?
Annie
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That looks worth following Rosinish.
It can’t be the same Margaret Peden who married Thomas Gibson though.
However, here is a death for Martha Peden - informant her daughter Margaret Gibson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05406/4510493.pdf
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1891
56 Centre Street Partick
James Orr 42 yrs b Ireland
Margaret Orr 42 yrs b Ireland
Jane Orr 5 months
Margaret Peden 20 yrs niece b Ireland
John Peden 15 yrs nephew b Ireland
Annie Peden 9 yrs niece b Ireland
James Blackburn 10 yrs nephew b Partick
I am lost ???
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John Peden birth with mother Margaret Ann - no father’s name
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03084/2130334.pdf
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Heywood,
I'm finding this lot a bit confusing to say the least.
I think the OP needs to start afresh with facts she can follow with docs/references etc. & of course help from here along the way, to sort out the 2 different families & work with one at a time but that's my own personal view as to how I would go about it as there are so many discrepancies with names/yrs/dates etc. making it all supposition as we don't have a starting block of solid proof to move up from?
I don't mean this to sound bad in any way, just trying to make sense ;)
Annie
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1891
56 Centre Street Partick
James Orr 42 yrs b Ireland
Margaret Orr 42 yrs b Ireland
Jane Orr 5 months
Margaret Peden 20 yrs niece b Ireland
John Peden 15 yrs nephew b Ireland
Annie Peden 9 yrs niece b Ireland
James Blackburn 10 yrs nephew b Partick
I am lost ???
;D This does look to be tied to the same family I found the marriage of James Orr & Margaret Peden which was 1889 i.e. may be the parents of James (which can only come from the MC on SP) but it looks as though these families are actually also related in some other way ???
Annie
Add...An exciting puzzle if we had a starting block?
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thank you again for all your help, but I have to say I'm just sooooo glad its not just me that has found this one hard to find
night all
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Yes I agree.
At the very least, I think, as I have said before, there could be two generations mixed up.
Findme,
I presume your line is Annie Lamont?
Who drew up the tree? As Rosinish advises, it might be best to do a big review. The marriage details for Margaret and James Orr would be good.