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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: SecondLife on Sunday 13 May 18 15:43 BST (UK)
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Could do with some help please as at the moment I do not have access to worldwide sub. I have William COOPER born in Darenth, Kent, UK and baptised on the 25 April 1799 in Darenth to parents John Cooper and Mary Anne Brown. The next time I find William appears to be in Australia were he marries Mary Ann Morley and later Lucinda Campbell.
What I cannot find is the reason he went to Australia although I suspect it may be transportation as he appears to have been in trouble while there. There are several family trees and even one showing the reason why he was transported but they all have his birth and baptism place incorrect.
If I should be looking in Kent rather than here please let me know and I will re-post. Thank you
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You find him marrying where and when in Australia and how do you know it is your William marrying?
Where did he die?
Jamjar
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Found it, NSW
3784/1826 V18263784 3B COOPER William to MORLEY Mary A CH
366/1856 V1856366 155 COOPER William to CAMPBELL Lucinda CA
Are these the deaths?
275/1856 COOPER William parents JOHN and MARY SYDNEY
2685/1856 COOPER Mary A THOMAS and MARY NEWCASTLE
8519/1875 COOPER Lucinda parents JOHN C and ELIZABETH at LAMBTON
Jamjar
Added: Based on the site provided by Essie, this death is supposed to be his:
4271/1859 COOPER WILLIAM parent JONATHAN DIED NEWCASTLE NEWCASTLE
It also has him born in 1803
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This webpage has William COOPER arriving on the ship Lord Melville in 1818.
https://australianroyalty.net.au/individual.php?pid=I38198&ged=purnellmccord.ged
This ship went to Van Diemen's Land and this William COOPER was convicted at the Nottingham Assizes.
https://convictrecords.com.au/ships/lord-melville/1818
Essie
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Hi Secondlife,
What do you have to show that the WC who marries MA Morley in 1826 in Australia was baptised in Darenth Kent?
Do you have any records that he completed in Australia that show his place and date of birth?
What occupation do you have for WC?
How do you know that he had been in trouble previously?
If you can add as much detail as possible (including sources) then you will have a greater chance of the people on here helping you.
Kind regards,
Jo :)
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Which William COOPER …. :) :) :)
NSW Archives has indexed Mary Ann MORLEY’s permission to marriage at Newcastle in 1826, to a William COWPER … twice indexed as Cowper. She was aged 19, born in NSW. He was aged 27, per Lord Melville 2, and still under Bond. Rev George A MIDDLETON.
Here is image of that 1826 marriage, Christ Church, Hexham NSW Entry No. 3.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/2465640047/in/album-72157605008173551/
Add, so need to search under both spellings COWPER and COOPER ... and just on COOPER there's ummmmmmm.... pages of Prisoners of the Crown named William COOPER .... :)
JM
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http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/default.htm
William COOPER per
Tottenham 1819
Ocean 1816
Minerva 1821
Mary
Lord Melville
Larkins 1817
Canada 1819
Canada 1815
Baring
Asia 1825
William COWPER per
Larkins 1817
JM :)
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William Cooper given a conditional pardon on 31 Dec 1847:
Description
Name: William Cooper
Ship: Lord Melville 2
Master: Wetherill
Year of Arrival: 1818
Native Place: Nottinghamshire
Trade or Calling: sweep & brickmaker
Offence: not given
Place of Trial: Nottinghamshire
date: 13 Mar 1818
Sentenced: Life
Year of Birth: 1799
Height: 5'3/4"
Complexion: light
Hair: brown
Eyes: Hazel
On list of prisoners transferred to Newcastle per "Elizabeth Henrietta" on 10 Jan 1822.
Still not sure where Darenth Kent comes in??
Jo :)
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William was received aboard the prison hulk the Justitia at Woolwich Kent on 26 May 1818.
His crime was burglary and he was convicted along with three others on the same date for the same crime.
jo :)
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The COOPER and MORLEY connection mentioned on this website.
https://www.jenwilletts.com/searchaction.php
#181586 Prisoner of the crown
#100684 Application to marry
Essie
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I guess we need to know why SecondLife thinks it's who he's looking for, given than the year and place of birth don't match to William the convict.
Jamjar
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/2447638305/in/album-72157605008173551/
baptism of Mary Ann and William COOPER's baby son William born 1827.
JM
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VERY VERY VERY SPECULATIVE.
NSW 1841 Census Newcastle
Return # 33
Mary Ann COOPER … in her establishment there’s :
2 married males
4 single males
2 married females
2 single females
Of the six males
4 were born in the colony
1 is otherwise free
1 is bonded under a private assignment
None are aged under two
1 is aged two to under seven
2 are aged seven to under fourteen
1 is aged fourteen and under twenty-one
2 are aged twenty-one and under forty-five
0 are aged forty-five and under sixty
0 are aged sixty and upwards.
Of the four females
2 were born in the colony
1 arrived free
1 is otherwise free
0 are aged under two
1 is aged two to under seven
1 are aged seven to under fourteen
0 is aged fourteen and under twenty-one
2 are aged twenty-one and under forty-five
0 are aged forty-five and under sixty
0 are aged sixty and upwards.
9 of these 10 are Church of England
1 is Roman Catholic
2 are Mechanics/Artificers
8 are other persons not included in following classes:
(so none of the 8 are) Landed Proprietors, Merchants, Bankers Professional, shopkeepers, retail dealers, Mechanics /Artificers, Shepherds/keepers of sheep, Gardeners, Stockmen, engaged in Agriculture, Domestic Service.
Mary Ann COOPER’s establishment is of Wood, Unfinished, Inhabited.
NOTICE, IF (and it is a huge IF, very very speculative IF…) anyway, notice that there’s no mention of William COOPER by name at this establishment.
I wonder about how our OP's ancestor connects to any of the William Cooper/Cowper chaps in New South Wales in the 1820s...
JM
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Thank you so much for your help.
I do have the baptism certificate for the 25 Apr 1799 in Darenth Kent.
Why do I think the Wm Cooper sent to Australia may be mine, well I cannot find him anywhere in the UK.
I am unsure whether WC sentenced at Nottinghamshire Assizes is mine as that, even in today's terms, is a long way from where he lived.
If he was sent from Woolwich then that is more likely.
Think I need to sit down and read through all your fabulous answers, thank you so much for your help