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Title: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: Olicana on Monday 14 May 18 22:35 BST (UK)
Christopher Steadman married Flora Harriet Mitchell in Q1 1899 in Peckham St Mark, Camberwell. Could someone please look up this marriage and let me have the details? Thank you.
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: suzard on Monday 14 May 18 22:53 BST (UK)
Christopher Steadman did not marry Flora HarrietMitchell -he married Harriet Downes
Page 208 entry 416St mark Camberwell
28 Jan 1899
Christopher Steadman 60 widower 14 Albert Rd Wheelwright father William Steadman deceased occ brewer's servant
Harriet Downes 61 widow fther James Harman deceased occ brewer
witnesses Francis James Howne ? Florence Lydia ?owne
all signed

Banns Peckhm St Mark
No 563
Christopher Steadman widower and Harriet Downes widow both of the Parish
Banns read 8 Jan 15 Jan 22 Jan

Suz
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: Olicana on Monday 14 May 18 23:14 BST (UK)
Thank you very much Suz  ;D
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: suzard on Monday 14 May 18 23:32 BST (UK)
do you need Flora Harriet Mitchell's details??

Suz
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: Olicana on Monday 14 May 18 23:50 BST (UK)
do you need Flora Harriet Mitchell's details??

No thanks Suz, not now I know she was not Christopher's wife. I am trying to find Harriet Harman's birth (5 possibilities so far!) and details of her first marriage to Mr Downes.
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 14 May 18 23:56 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find Harriet Harman's birth (5 possibilities so far!) and details of her first marriage to Mr Downes.

Where was Harriet born?

What census is she on as Downes
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 15 May 18 00:04 BST (UK)
Marriages December qtr 1860   
Downes    Henry James     Camberwell    1d   825    
Harman    Harriett         Camberwell    1d   825      
 
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 15 May 18 00:07 BST (UK)
A quick GRO maiden name search shows 2 sons both registered in the Camberwell RD

Henry James 1862 and James Arthur 1864
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 15 May 18 00:14 BST (UK)
Harriet was b Sundbridge Kent
Henry James Downes was baptised non conformist

Suz
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 15 May 18 00:19 BST (UK)
1881 census Henry and Harriet have 2 sons Henry 9 & James 6
Here they are in 1881
Adelaide Rd Canal Row Peckham
Henry Downes Head M 45 Railway Porter Camberwell
Harriett wife 45 Laundress Sundbridge Kent
Henry son 18 Bakers man Peckham Surrey
James son 16 Plumber & Gas Fitter Peckham

Suz

Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: Olicana on Tuesday 15 May 18 01:00 BST (UK)
Thank you Carole and Suz.

Do you think Maidstone would be the RD for Sundbridge? If so, this could be Harriet's birth registration:   
   
HARMAN, HARRIET       mmn SHARP     
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in MAIDSTONE  Volume 05  Page 283   

Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 15 May 18 01:43 BST (UK)
Think it’s Sundridge rather than Sundbridge.  If so it came under Sevenoaks until 1941.   I think she may have been born just prior to Civil Reg
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: redtonyt on Tuesday 15 May 18 06:55 BST (UK)
Family Search has the following -

England Births and Christenings
   
 Name     Harriet Harman   
   
 Christened    3rd May 1835 at Sundridge, Kent   
       
 Father -   James Harman     
 Mother -   Eliza 

Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: redtonyt on Tuesday 15 May 18 07:30 BST (UK)

It looks as though James' first wife Eliza (Harriet's mother) dies in Bromley district, Dec quarter of 1839 aged 25.  James re-marries in the June quarter of 1841 (Bromley) to Caroline Ashdown.


Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: Olicana on Tuesday 15 May 18 12:24 BST (UK)
Thank you all for so much useful information  :)

I have been looking for Christopher's first wife and any possible children too, but no success so far. I can't find them on any censuses.
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 15 May 18 13:16 BST (UK)
Who’s Christopher?.

1841 for Kent - all born Kent all surname Harman

James 30
Caroline 21
Harriett 7
Ann 5
Piece 480 book 6 folio 20 page 32

Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: Olicana on Tuesday 15 May 18 13:49 BST (UK)
Who’s Christopher?.

Christopher Steadman/Stedman was Harriet's second husband who was a widower on the marriage registration.
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 15 May 18 14:27 BST (UK)
1841 has him as Christopher Stedman b 1838 Surrey
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 15 May 18 18:13 BST (UK)
I am wondering if this could be him and William has been entered by mistake????

Marriage
Page 202 entry 404
23 Aug St mary magdalene St George the Martyr Southwark
William Christopher Steadman 21 bachelor Wheelwright Pitt St father William Steadman occ labourer
Elizabeth marshall 21 Spinster Pitt St father Robert Marshall occ Carpenter
marriage after Banns
witnesses George Wager? & Catherine Ludford
all except Elizabeth signed -she made her mark

Suz
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: Olicana on Tuesday 15 May 18 20:53 BST (UK)
1841 has him as Christopher Stedman b 1838 Surrey

Could you tell me whether his parents are William and Susan on the census please, and if he has any siblings? Thank you.
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 15 May 18 22:25 BST (UK)
The marriage found by Suz was 1858

    
The 1841 entry is on Family Search

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m2k/

FS also has a baptism for Lucy in 1828 under Steedman

Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: Annette7 on Wednesday 16 May 18 11:49 BST (UK)
Just to confuse things further - I too think that Christopher's first marriage is the one between William Christopher Stedman and Elizabeth Marshall in 1858.

Had problems trying to find Christopher on census - no wonder, on  various census after he married he is listed as 'Charles' or 'Charles C'!  One of his children was an Albert bc.1872 - found him on new GRO index and mothers maiden name was Marshall.  Looks like first wife died in 1896.

Annette







 
Title: Re: 1899 Peckham St Mark, Camberwell, marriage look up please
Post by: Olicana on Thursday 17 May 18 23:19 BST (UK)
Thank you all for your help  :)