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I have started my search I have my grandfather on census in 1911 his marriage in 1907 his birth is a parish register with his mothers name and maiden name . however I cant find his father s birth certificate I have his marriage lines in 1883 at the age of 21 . I have his wife and traced her on the census ect . However I have hit a brick wall ..... He is John McGee his father was Barnard (DECEASED AT THE TIME OF HIS MARRIAGE ) I have various john mcgees can any one give me some tips please
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Country?
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Zelda -- welcome to Roots Chat -- but as Hallmark says it would be easier for people to help you if you gave more information please.
Which country and possible county are you talking about?
Have you found his father's death?
If you have found his father's marriage - do you have the certificate? This would give Barnard's father's name, which may help in tracing his birth/baptism.
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Hi and welcome to rootschat ;D
So what year and where( town/county/country) was he born/baptised?
A parish record shows his baptism record, not his birth
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Not sure which 'he' refers to which person, but this is the only marriage of a John McGee in 1907
Marriages December quarter 1907 in Middlesborough
Agnes Donelly
William Heslop
John McGee
Mary Jane Simpson
However 'he' might be the grandfather's father, in which case, there are 3 marriages of John McGee in 1883, but one in Middlesborough
Marriages March quarter 1883
Mary Ellen Hogg Middlesbro'
John McGee Middlesbro'
And if Barnard McGee is missing, perhaps he was born in Ireland?
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john MCGEE my grandfather married Agnes Donelly in 1907 I have that marriage certificate.
His father is deceased on that certificate .( JOHN SNR)
john Mcgee snr married Mary Hogg in 1883
his father barnard is deceased on that certificate .
I cant find john snr s birth certificate or on any census .... with certainty
I have a Barnard Mcgee with a Mary mcgee on a census locally but with no children ...
i have lots of Barnards in whitehaven cumbria and some in ireland but I cant connect the dots
any suggestions ? i am sorry there was insufficient information previously do i need even more than this many thanks
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The first step will be to find your John McGee jnr (who married Agnes) in a pre-marriage census with (if possible) his birth family.
John McGee, mother’s maiden name Hogg, birth reg Mar qtr 1886 Middlesbrough.
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Hello Zelda and welcome :)
You have perhaps realised that you need to give as much information as possible.
You have two marriage certificates - who were the witnesses? What occupations and addresses are given?
You say you have a Barnard and Mary locally. Where are they, which census etc.
It all helps.
Heywood
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Chempat and Zelda,
I was confused by the 'he' as well and had thought that your Grandfather - John Mc'Gee's father was called Barnard -- but from the information now given I see that John's father was another John.
Also Zelda -- and please forgive me if you already know this -- but when starting your family history go back census by census if you can - recording the names also of all the siblings you find of your direct ancestor. Then when you come to a time when parents must have married, seek out that marriage to obtain father's name.
Names beginning with Mc or Mac can be difficult as they can be transcribed in various ways. Sometimes with a pesky space after the Mc or Mac.
I don't know whether you belong to a subscription site such as Ancestry or Find My Past -- but if you do -- on Ancestry you can use a 'wildcard' (ie an asterisk *) either at the beginning or at the end of a series of letters - ie in this case *Gee which will pick up all names ending with those 3 letters.
On Find My Past - you can only do this at the end of a name (as far as I know).
You can also use wild cards on Family Search -- free site - which has census transcriptions.
Bear in mind also that if your family were Roman Catholic and living in England -- there are far less RC baptisms, marriages, and burials on line than C of E ones -- and you will definitely need to seek out the formal birth, marriage or death cert.
However if your family do turn out to be Irish - there are RC parish registers on both Ancestry and Find My Past. The drawback with Irish ancestry is you only have the 1901 and 1911 census and in addition Civil Registration started only in 1864 (except for non-RC marriages when that started about 1845).
Civil Registration in England and Wales started in July 1837 - hence events occurring prior to that -- you need Parish Registers.
These are just things to bear in mind -- and as I said I really do apologise if you know all this - but we never know with people who are new to Roots Chat - just how much of a beginner in this obsessive hobby -- they are.
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I looked at the marriage certificate for 1883 and fathers name is 'Bernard' not Barnard.
Annette
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26 March 1883 at St Peter’s, Middlesbrough
John Magee/McGee 21 bach Helper, of Lower East St. Father: Bernard, decd, farm servant.
Mary Ellen Hogg 18 spinster of Lower East St. Father: Robert, boiler smith.
Witnesses: Charles Horn; Isabella Hogg.
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Birth registration of Mary Ellen Hogg, Mar qtr 1865 Stockton 10a 42.
Birthplace is Middlesbrough per 1871, when she is with parents Robert & Elizabeth: RG10/4890/9/11.
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Mary Ellen Magee, a widow, remarried 22 August 1887 to Charles Horne (was he the Charles Horn who had witnessed her first marriage?).
Both of Garbutt St, Middlesbrough.
Fathers:
Benjamin Horne, labourer; Robert Hogg, boilersmith.
Middlesbrough parish church.
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Death of John Magee aged 24, Mar qtr 1886 Middlesbrough.
Buried at New Linthorpe Cemetery, 2 Feb 1886.
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First child, baptised at Middlesbrough parish church 27 Jan 1884.
John Robert Magee.
Parents: John (a plater) and Mary Ellen, of East St, Middlesbrough.
Birth reg: John Robert Magee, mmn Hogg, Mar qtr 1884 Middlesbrough
Death reg: John Robert McGee aged 1, Jun qtr 1885 Middlesbrough
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many thanks to all those who gave me information and advice I have now moved forward and look forward to further success
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many thanks to all those who gave me information and advice I have now moved forward and look forward to further success
A slightly belated welcome to Rootschat from me!
So, to summarise, if I have it right:
Barnard McGEE (? - bef 1883) married ?
John McGEE (c1862 - 1886) married 1883 Mary Ellen HOGG (1865 - ? who re-married 1887 Charles HORNE)
John McGEE (b1884) married 1907 Agnes DONNELLY
Are we still looking for the birth, marriage and death of Barnard McGEE (inculuding spelling variants) and the birth/baptism of John McGEE c1862 ?
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hi I have sent for the birth cert of John snr in the hope that may help me move on again
Bernard is still elusive .I have a Bernard on the 1901 census at 54 gauntlet street aged 24 year of age birth 1877 he is a wire work labourer born in middlesbrough . His father James born 1853 in ireland so i am pursuing this lead at present . thankyou for your welcome
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Have you looked at this one as a possible for John snr?
1861 Census
Buchanan Street, Old Monkland, Old Monkland Middle District, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Bernard McGee, age 30, born Ireland, field labourer
Bridget McGee,age 24,wife, born Ireland
John Mcgee,age 1, born Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
The family are in Lanarkshire for 1871 Census, no John with them but haven't managed to find them after that :(
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good evening I have followed your tip re the 1861 census (old Monkland middle district)found them on the 1871. I then managed to find Bernard as a lodger on the 1851 CENSUS then Bridgett and Bernards marriage in 1959.However I cannot find the death certificate for Bernard nor the birth and death certificate for Bridgett . I have been on the national site for Ireland with no luck any experts out there to give me some more direction thanking you in anticipation. ( im really hooked now ) many thanks in anticipation zelda