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Hi,
Looking for any details of Eleanor QUIGLEY born 1860. Her father was James QUIGLEY - a farmer. The denomination was Church of Ireland.
She moved to Belfast to work as a school teacher (in CoI School) and married Robert CHAMBERS in 1886 in St Thomas's CoI Parish Church. On her marriage certificate she is listed as "Eleanor H Quigley". A death certificate, issued in Belfast in 1912, lists a "Eleanor HILLARD Quigley".
Looking at Griffiths, and other docs, there appear to be several James QUIGLEYS in and around Powerscourt/Enniskerry - but I can't locate a birth certificate for Eleanor.
Any help much appreciated.
Kind regards, Michael
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A James Quigley married Mary Carr 1858 Powerscourt
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGC1-241
this appears to be them 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Powerscourt/Enniskerry_Town/1812308/
note Charlottes occupation 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Enniskerry/Enniskerry_Town/893556/
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Hmm interesting
Sarah Elizabeth Quigley dtr of James married Arthur Edwin Cullum an Englishman in 1903 at Powerscourt
Witness's were Thomas Quigley and Robert Chambers
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10237/5725797.pdf
1911 in Kerry
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Loughcurrane/Waterville_Town/103360/
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Caher/Garranebane/1403372/
unfortunately some of the Quigley births were registered as unknown
edited to add
The Cullum's son James Francis Edward died 1930 a Marine Officer
His administration was carried by Arthur E Cullum ,Waterville
search here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
His death does not seem to be registered on the civil certs
however Family Search has his death 1930 as just Ireland no specific district
possibly died at sea ?
http://www.irishmariners.ie/searchdatabase.php?srch_surname=cullum&srch_forename=james&srch_identityno=&srch_yob=&submit=Search
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David John 1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03212/2177964.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Montpelier_Hill/1338816/
possibly died in Cork St Hosp ,Dublin October 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05712/4611461.pdf
Thomas 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Enniskerry/Enniskerry_Town/893534/
Marriage 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10183/5705093.pdf
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Will index James Thomas Quigley 1898
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00219.pdf
Margaret Rebecca 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03046/2116925.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Blackrock_No__2/Newtown_Avenue/90401/
died 1935
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1935/04831/4302337.pdf
Charlotte 1939
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1939/04752/4272807.pdf
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Dathai -
Well you certainly live up to your name - that was quick and very helpful indeed - go raibh míle maith agat! I will now update the family records with the Enniskerry connection secure.
I saw a Mary Carr in the records but couldn't connect her with James Quigley - presumabley James's father is the (only) tenant farmer with land on the (Viscount) Powercourt estate - as listed in Griffiths. Wife is Eliza(beth) Hicks from Kilmolin (?)
I also notice that the draper's shop - run by Mary Quigley in Enniskerry - has a Wogan family next door but one - not the Wogan family surely!!
Robert Chambers witnessing the wedding of Cullum/Quigley was a big surprise. I wonder why Eleanor (as sister) didn't witness the certificate? Also Robert being there at all is surprising - Down to Wicklow would have been an onerous journey in those days - and speaks of a much closer connection between the Quigleys and Chambers than we had realised. (Perhaps the connection was a victim of partition - certainly the Quigley connection has not been really talked about or recognised - until now).
One other point on this. I notice that the wife of Thomas Quigley (Beresford Buckley) records her father as Allan Buckley - Steward (on marriage cert). The father of Robert Chambers was Joseph Chambers and he was also a Steward - the Chambers family having a number of properties leased from Viscount Londonderry of Mount Stewart fame in Newtownards/Comber, County Down. I wonder if there was some connection here between the Powerscourt and Mount Stewart estates (I know one of the daughters of Viscount Powerscourt married into the Londonderry family around this time...). All a bit vague - but intriguing..
Final point takes me back to Eleanor Quigley. If the 1912 death certificate in Belfast is her (Eleanor Hillard Chambers) I wonder who the Hillard family are - perhaps connected to the Carr family? (The Hillard/Hilliard name has been passed down the generations since).
And the question that really intrigues me... why would a young woman with a secure occupation and large family - living in the "prettiest village in Ireland" - venture north to work in the soot, grime and noise of industrial Belfast. She worked as a school teacher in St Mary Magdalene CoI School on Great Victoria Street and lived in a small terraced house in Fairview Street - opposite the Crumlin Road Gaol. It could not be more removed from leafy Enniskerry.
In later life she moved out of the centre to live on the Antrim Road - a prosperous part of North Belfast. Robert Chambers became a builder and they had several children - including an Ireland rugby international.
However, many questions remain about how the Quigley and Chambers family became connected.
Many thanks indeed for your help! Kind regards, Michael
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Hi Michael
Glad to be of help
possible 1901 for Margaret Rebecca as Reba in Mayo
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Ballycastle/Ballycastle/1591791/
strangely enough her administration lists her as Rebecca M Quigley
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
Julia 1869
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03398/2246207.pdf
1901 Kerry
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Loughcurrane/Iveragh__Barony_/1404873/
1911 Howth ,Co Dublin
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Howth/Burrow_South__covers_all_of_Burrow_Townland_in_Howth_Parish_/19561/
died 1927 with informant Mary Quigley mother ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1927/04982/4358300.pdf
As you can see they are in various counties i suppose as a teacher you went where ever there was a vacancy.
Dathai
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John Knox married Mary Quigley school mistress dtr of James in 1890
witnesses were possibly her father James and brother Thomas
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10692/5897215.pdf
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/enniskerry5/target95.html
you may have read this book Enniskerry Archives,Notes and Stories from the Village
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m3b/
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Possible connection to James Quigley and Elizabeth Hicks
Matthew Quigley born Dec 1866 to James and Mary Carr
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03499/2286404.pdf
1901 married a carpenter
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Bray/Brennan_s_Parade/1811024/
1896 married Elizabeth Jane Osborne widow nee Stewart in Belfast
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10505/5825935.pdf
John Osborne married Elizabeth Jane Stewart, Banbridge 1871
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11358/8169752.pdf
appear to have had only one child Ellen Jane 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03036/2113245.pdf
note the cousin William Edward Quigley 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Agnes_Street/947543/
1911 with a brother John Morgan Quigley
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra/St__Brigid_s_Road_Upper/27102/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m3g/ baptisms
parents marriage 1873 John Quigley to Catherine Lowham
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-511-3-2-030
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Drumcondra/Glenarm_Avenue_and_Villas/1272362/
it was possibly the David on the above census that died in 1901
possible death for John 1898 in Carlingford Road born circa 1856 ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/06012/4711008.pdf
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Hi Dathai,
There is some amazing detective - and very solid genealogical research - contained in these posts. Many thanks for taking the time to do this - really very much appreciated.
The unfolding of the Quigley story - from one name on a great uncle's marriage certificate - to what we have now is a little astonishing. I have been tracking and following the Cullum family back to Isleworth in Middlesex (via Richmond and Kerry) and the Knox family back to County Fermanagh (via Cork & Howth). I suppose like most family stories - it is a complex web of connections - and one that appears to take us all over Ireland.
I am trying to update the family records - and may need a little time to absorb all of this information. One question - do you think the father of John Quigley - who married Catherine Lowham in Richmond Asylum in 1873 - is the son of James Quigley (Grocer) from Enniskerry? If so - we have the connection between all of these Quigleys (both North & South...).
Will post again when i have updated...
Kind regards, Michael
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Hi Dathai,
Again, many thanks with your invaluable research concerning the Quigleys in Wicklow/Belfast.
I have been trying to nail the other end of the equation - the family that Eleanor Quigley married into when she moved from Enniskerry to Belfast.
I have a big block concerning her husband Robert Chambers. I can see - from the marriage certificate in 1886 that he was born in County Down - and that his father was Joseph Chambers, a Land Steward.
Robert, a carpenter at the time of his marriage, later became an important builder in Belfast as well as a supporter of the unionist cause. He died in March 1934 and had obituaries printed in both the Belfast Newsletter and Northern Whig. However nothing was mentioned of his father. He signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912 - together with his sons Robert Tweedie, Eric Hicks, John Hilliard and Ernest Joseph Chambers. I also understand that all the male members of the family were freemasons.
One other oddity - he appears as one of the beneficiaries of the will, 14 Dec 1886, of Eliza Brand (b1826) together with William Brand - the husband. William was also a Land Steward form Ballaknock, County Down. Eliza came from Drumnabreeze, County Down.
If you have any time to work your magic and find a way past the Chambers "wall" - I would be very grateful.
BTW - I am going Enniskerry this August to visit the various places the Quigley's lived.
Kind regards,
Michael