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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: Who is Ursula? on Friday 18 May 18 11:44 BST (UK)
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My granny Ivy Marguerite Adams is down as a 4 year old 'boarder' living with the Charles Henry Read family on Salisbury Road, Forest Gate during the census of 1911. She was born in 1906 at 35 Hawley Road, St Pancras over a pub 'The Stag's Head,' parents Marguerite (formerly Strain) and Henry Adams.
Does anyone know the circumstances of child boarding in Forest Gate? I have seen there was some kind of Barnardos school but those children seem to have lived in 'cottages' together nearer the institute.
I even thought she might have been at the Ursuline School (she may have been Catholic) and have asked for records and failed.
I am really stuck and have no idea where her parents went to or why she was with this other family.
Any help gratefully received.
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This looks like a normal family rather than an institution. There could be any number of reasons that she was with this other family.
Are the Reads related in any way?
Keep in mind that although Ivy is down as a boarder, that does not necessarily mean she was living with the family permanently - she may have been staying with them for a short time.
You have not found her parents in 1911? Can you tell us the names and birth years of any siblings of Ivy?
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When did Henry Adams marry Marguerite Strain, was his occupation on the birth certificate anything to do with Drapery?
Keyboard86
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When did Henry Adams marry Marguerite Strain, was his occupation on the birth certificate anything to do with Drapery?
Keyboard86
I was wondering the same.
I had a quick look for Henry and Marguerite on the 1911 census - there are a few Henry and Margarets but need more information about them to know if any might be the 'right' couple.
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This is 16 Salisbury Road, Forest Gate https://goo.gl/maps/Cf6BYwc2gZB2
The 1911 Schedule in column 2 says State whether "Head," or "Wife," "Son," "Daughter," or other Relative, "Visitor," "Boarder," or "Servant." She could have been what was called a 'Nurse Child'. A nurse child was a young child being brought up in the household of someone other than the parents, normally for money, so she would have been a boarder. If you put "Nurse Child" in the Keyword box of the 1911 census there are numerous entries.
Stan
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This is an entry from the 1911 census where the clerk in the census office has annotated 'Boarder' with 'Nurse Child' in red.
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Hi I suppose the question that needs to be addressed is just who and when born/where/marriage is Marguerite Strain?
Keyboard86
OK enough information on other thread, will leave to others.
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A tree on Ancestry has Marguerite STRAIN born in Govan, Scotland in 1885, and Henry ADAMS death in St Pancras in 1917.
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Looking at previous posts including this one it seems Ivy Marguerite Adams was also known as Ursula Ruby Adams http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=626061.msg4742831#msg4742831
Kay
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Hi, thanks everyone for getting involved. On the birth certificate for Ivy Marguerite Adams it says that Henry Adams is a licensed victualler. I have not been able to pin down either Marguerite Strain (or Adams) or Henry Adams. Help from this forum before found a Henry Adams on an electoral register connecting 35 Hawley Road with Albion Villa Alderbert Terrace, Lambeth in 1905 or 1906. The only person ever found connecting these two addresses was a Scottish Henry Adam (engineer) in a 1902 newspaper article on a Brother's Slander of his sister Mary Miller (and wife of John Miller a chemist).
Henry Adam is from Govan. I find him in 1911 in Donegal with a wife and kids. The Margaret Strain mentioned (born 1885) is I think the person I found working on a farm in Lanarkshire in the 1901 census. As a candidate for Ivy's mother I just can't find anything to support why she would have gone down to London and had a baby, then gone back to Scotland. So my pursuit of both Henry Adam and Margaret Strain of Lanarkshire is just a tenuous hunch.
As pointed out Ivy Marguerite Adams was later known as Ursula Ruby Adams. On the 1911 census I am pretty sure Ivy the boarder is her. Partly because the neighbours either side are Pratt and Barton. I know that Ursula had witnesses at her wedding called Pratt and Barton.
I am just looking at a gaping hole with who Ivy Marguerite's parents were. I have even done a DNA test and put it on all the sites to try and eliminate people.
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Forgot to mention the draper angle. Yes, Charles Henry Reads seems to be in the drapery business. I did find a Henry Adams in Hornsey in the 1911 census who was also in the drapery business. Though it seems a bit weird going from licensed victualler to draper.
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Also, I don't know any siblings for Ivy Marguerite Adams. She was very disfunctional ran away when my mum and her siblings were children. They never knew anything about her.
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There is a photo of Margaret Strain (became Strain Hannah) of Lanarkshire born 1885 on Ancestry.
This is my granny. Does anyone think there is a resemblance?
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Previous thread here (I thought this rang a distant bell!):
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=626061.0
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It would helped and saved time if we had been told the infomation about the alternative name in the first post.
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Sorry. Ivy Marguerite Adams change of name to Ursula Ruby Adams was I think completely unofficial. In the London Gazette for 1948 it lists her two different names under re-nationalisation of people after WWII. She is referred to there as Ursula Shiraishi otherwise Ivy Marguerite Adams, otherwise Ruby Ursula Adams. My grandfather was Hideo Shiraishi, from Japan. He brought my mum up.
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I have not read your other thread/s so expect this may already have been suggested, but have you traced the Reads to see if they lead you anywhere?
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Hi if as the birth certificate suggests Henry Adams was at 35, Hawley Road, St Pancras c 1906, he was not there in 1901 or 1911, oddly the Henry Adams occ Commercial Traveller Drapery/Drapery Agent in Wightman Road Hornsey in 1901/11 had a daughter also called Marguerite b c 1895 Henry as a widower married the Housekeeper Alice Clifton and in 1901 is a Sarah Read 17 a coincedence perhaps!
Keyboard86
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Reading back over the old thread, I am reminded that we established that:
Henry Adams of 35 Hawley Rd was linked by the 1907 electoral roll also to Aldebert Terrace, Stockwell.
Henry Adam [sic] of Aldebert Terrace, Stockwell, was linked by 1902 newspaper reports to Govan, Glasgow and was described as a brother-in-law of John Miller (a chemist) and brother of Mary Miller nee Adam. The 1891 Scotland census showed these people together in Dunoon, Argyll; Henry Adam was born c1870 Glasgow.
Henry Adam had, according to the 1902 news reports, previously been employed in Mexico by John Miller.
Has anything been done since the work on that thread in looking into the Scottish angle?
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Hi, Thanks for your interest. It is appreciated.
After finding out about the address link between a Henry Adams and Henry Adam of Govan in the newspaper article, I started looking at Henry Adam(s). He was a railway engineer who travelled a lot because of his work. .....A guy on ancestry who is interested in his engineering has taken an interest in that particular ancestor. I approached him. He wanted to help but knew nothing about Ivy Marguerite Adams or her mother Marguerite Strain.
Henry Adam is born 15th Feb 1870 in Tradeston, Glasgow to Jessie (nee Galt) and James Adam.
1871 he is 1 yrs in Govan with Jessie and James Adam.
1891 he is a Mechanical Engineer in Fairfeld, Dunoon & Kilmun living with his sister Mary, her husband John Miller (Analytical Chemist) and his older brother John Adam a doctor
1893 called Harry Adam he is an Engineer going from Glasgow to Montreal
1895 he is on the Campania going from Queenstown port to NY
1901 he is recorded as Harry Adam in Old Kilpatrick visiting the Brunton family
Aug 9th 1901 Harry Adam (Locomotive Engineer) of residence 15 Priory Road Lambeth marries Margaret Brunton in Glasgow.
1902 he goes to Costa Rica. Same year daughter Margarita born in Govan.
1904 son Harry born in Costa Rica.
1909 son Thomas born in Stranorlar.
1911 Ireland census he is Henry Adams living with Margaret and children Margarita B, Harry R and Thomas B in Stranolar, Donegal. Working as a Foreman Locomotive Engineer.
Then he went to USA, Yorkshire, then died in Luton in 1947.
Marguerite Strain: taking up the Margaret Strain born 1885 in Greengains, Lanarkshire possible link, I found her in 1901 working on West Drumoyne Farm, Govan, owned by Mrs. Archibald Miller (78) with her son William (57). This seemed a strange coincidence as the sister of Henry Adam, Mary was married to a John Miller. I have tried to find a link between John Miller and the Archibald Miller family. I haven't found anything yet.
Charles Henry Read:
1891 census Lambeth there is a Charles H living with father George R Read a steam and hot water fitter (any connection to railway? Who knows?)
1911 there is an Arthur G Read family in West Ham. Some of his children are teachers at a 'Board' school. Connection? Who knows?
Sarah Read:
I tried to connect Sarah Read the servant living with another Henry Adams (Draper connection) of Hornsey in 1901 with the Read family Ivy Marguerite was living with in 1911, but have failed to do so.
This is where I am so far. There are lots of Henry Adams around, but can't find any connections.
Though the Albion Villa residence does seem to be connected with licensed victuallers.