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This is an old topic revived from 2019 (updated) and I wondered if there might be any more information available now.
I have a William Laughlan & Jane Stewart supposedly married c. 1826 in Ireland. William himself was born in Ireland about 1800. Any more information available?
Their first son, also William Laughlan (actually he may not be the first son, I don't know of any other kids) William was born in Drumachose, Derry. on 15th April 1827. This William had a son called Samuel Laughlan who was born 1851, Barony, Lanarkshire. I understand William (Samuel's mother), who COULD have been Elizabeth .....? died a few years later, and Samuel was brought up by his father and new wife Jane Grieve, who married 16 Oct 1855 in Govan, Lanark, Scotland. Williams first wife Elizabeth .....? was also born in Ireland,
Can anyone find the marriage of William Laughland & Jane Stewart please? And any other children of that marriage? Plus the Elizabeth in Ireland who married the William b 1827?
I have had Laughlan spelt Laughland, Lachlan - even Lanchline - which makes things a bit difficult. My own maiden name was Lochlin!
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Religion?
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I'd have to say catholic at the start. Years later, my grandfather wanted to join a Lodge, and signed his name as William Lochlin ( the way my maiden name was spelt) which to my mind means he became a Protestant. It has been said they were Nordic before Irish.
My DNA says I have 10% Scandinavian.
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Have you searched the RC registers?
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0363 start too late!!
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I'd have to say catholic at the start. Years later, my grandfather wanted to join a Lodge, and signed his name as William Lochlin ( the way my maiden name was spelt) which to my mind means he became a Protestant. It has been said they were Nordic before Irish.
My DNA says I have 10% Scandinavian.
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On your other, thread they aren't RC
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=424511.msg3599829#msg3599829
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On your other, thread they aren't RC
Really, I have no proof, but surely in Derry - they would be catholic mostly wouldn't they?
Have you searched the RC registers?
No,what is the site please?
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Perhaps check out the history of the Plantation in Northern Ireland. Many protestants. Significant numbers were Presbyterians. Not sure how joining a lodge would change the religion though perhaps if it was the Orange Lodge in NI it would be usually protestants joining? Not sure, just speculating.
Another name to look for is Loughlin.
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In the previous thread there were references to children of a William and a Jane Loughlin/lochlin around Limavady
Catherine dau of Wm & Jane Laughlin Parish of Ballykelly Jan'y 24 1814
John to parents William & Jane Loughlin dated to 1820
Robert son of Wm & Jane Lochlin, Broglasco, T. Finlagan Feb'y 5th 1823
then possibly 'your' William born 1827
How certain are you that then parents were married shortly before William's birth in 1826 ie that he was an early child rather than a later one? Have you looked at any of these other possibles ie Catherine, John or Robert?
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On your other, thread they aren't RC
Really, I have no proof, but surely in Derry - they would be catholic mostly wouldn't they?
Have you searched the RC registers?
No,what is the site please?
It's in my reply
Reply#4
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Have you searched the RC registers?[quote/]
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0363 start too late!!
Yes, they were in Scotland by the time of Samuels birth in 1851, William and his first wife, that is.
I had done a search and found that an Elizabeth had married William Laughlan, but wasnt sure which Elizabeth - it could be Kerr, or Bell.
In the previous thread there were references to children of a William and a Jane Loughlin/lochlin around Limavady
Catherine dau of Wm & Jane Laughlin Parish of Ballykelly Jan'y 24 1814
John to parents William & Jane Loughlin dated to 1820
Robert son of Wm & Jane Lochlin, Broglasco, T. Finlagan Feb'y 5th 1823
then possibly 'your' William born 1827
How certain are you that then parents were married shortly before William's birth in 1826 ie that he was an early child rather than a later one? Have you looked at any of these other possibles ie Catherine, John or Robert? I am not denying that it may be correct, but I have never seen them.
I don't think I've ever mentioned that they were from Ballykelly or Broglasco or Limvady.
I have never mentioned Catherine, John or Robert.
For William Laughlan b 1800 & Jane Stewart b 1800 - I've only ever found one son for them, William b 1827 (b County Derry) - I am sure there are others, but I've no proof.
1851 Census William Lauchline (Labourer) and Elisabeth both 24 and Samuel 2 mths Both born Ireland, Samuel, Barony, Lanarkshire
FHL Film Number: 6035516
1861 Census of Scotland
Moncrieff St
William Laughland H Married 33 Miners Labourer
Jane Laughland W Married 26
Samuel son 10 scholar
William John Son 2
George Laughland Son 6 months
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Not sure how joining a lodge would change the religion though perhaps if it was the Orange Lodge in NI it would be usually protestants joining? Not sure, just speculating.
In 11 April 1884, William Lochlin (as he then spelt his name, and had been since he was married Jane Grieve, joined the Grand Lodge of Scotland No. 73 (Thistle & Rose), Glasgow. So it was just a guess, I suppose. Why else would he change it to a scottish spelling?
I have no marriage cert for William Laughland and Janet Stewart.
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I am a bit confused by your reply. I am not sure why you are listing on the Co Derry board if you are not sure that they came from Derry, somewhere. (Limavady, Ballykelly, Tamlaght Finlagan are all places in Co Londonderry. In fact Ballykelly and T/F are very close. Limavady would have been a very close larger town.
Just so we can get back on track:
could you advise where the birth took place of the ancestor you are chasing was registered/noted.
Could you please advise the support you have for the view that the child born in 1827 was born early in the marriage and not later in the marriage
If the birth took place in Co Londonderry then the births that others have found in the same decade and to parents with similar names are very worthy of further investigation.
Genealogy is not an exact linear search back. Sometimes we have to search for descendants/contemporaries who may not be our exact ancestor. My query was, assuming that the family came from Co Londonderrry, whether you had looked at these other people born around the same time as the person you are searching for. For instance, if they emigrated other jurisdictions may have had birth, death marriage requirements that had a greater level of detail than in Northern Ireland or Scotland.
For instance I would count the three names found/suggested already 'in', until you either find supporting evidence for or against. Then I would search intensively to find out more about these other three.
Also with naming patterns the names of the children can give some clues as to birth order. So it is always useful to have/list the siblings of those you are looking for.
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Re 11
Joining a Lodge would not of itself change one's religion. If a person was keen on having a new life though it could be a way of cementing a change. Unless this ancestor was literate, then it may have been the person entering up his membership that spelled this name in the only way he, perhaps as a born and bred Scot, knew. Couple this with an accent and you can get all sorts of spellings.
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I am a bit confused by your reply. I am not sure why you are listing on the Co Derry board if you are not sure that they came from Derry, somewhere. (Limavady, Ballykelly, Tamlaght Finlagan are all places in Co Londonderry. In fact Ballykelly and T/F are very close. Limavady would have been a very close larger town.
I am listing on the Co Derry board because William Laughlan b 15 Apr 1827 was born Co. Derry. I have never mentioned (or even heard of) the names you mentioned (Limavady, Ballykelly, Tamlaght Finlagan), The name Drumachose has been mentioned though. His father William Laughlan b about 1800 was simply born in Ireland. It is these two Laughlans I am trying to trace.
Census of Scotland 1861 shows that
William Laughland lived at 8 Moncrieff St, Paisley aged 33 (Miners Labourer), born in Ireland,
Jane, aged 26 born Renfrewshire, Paisley,
Samuel, Son aged 10, (Scholar), born Lanarkshire, Glasgow,
William John, Son aged 2, born Ayrshire, Auchinleck and
George Laughland, Son aged 6 months) born Renfrewshire, Paisley. Therefore William must have been born in Ireland in 1828, Jane in Paisley in 1835.
Samuel (whom we know nothing about) must have been born in 1851. I believe William came from County Derry, Ireland, but yet to confirm.
William was deceased prior to 1878 and Jane re-married a Mr. Baird.
Attached documents are all I have.
The marriage of William Laughlan (16 Oct 1855) shows his birth date as born April 15th 1827 at County Derry, Ireland.
If the birth took place in Co Londonderry then the births that others have found in the same decade and to parents with similar names are very worthy of further investigation.
Where do I look (I am in Australia and not familiar with Irish BDM)
Out of 4 William Lochlins, 3 were first sons if that helps, re naming patterns.
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Attached are marriage certificates and a death certificate, which is all I have.
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Marriage certs.
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Thanks for those. It looks as though at the time of the marriage in Scotland to Jane Grieve in 1855 his father, William was still alive though his mother, MS Stewart, was dead. Father was a gardener. It also may read that the father was still alive at the time of Scottish-residing William's death in 1868. Is this how you are reading it?
In 1858 on Griffiths Valuation there is a William Loughlin mentioned 4 times - Carrick East, is one of the townlands that is mentioned. Here he leases, from John Loughry, 20 perches being a house and garden. If this is your William, the father then this ties in with him being a Journeyman gardener. He would travel to his work and was a skilled worker. Again two of the other three listings could also be him. The last listing is in Derry itself where a William Loughlin has a small garden in a tenement in Shantallow.
Carrick East is described here
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/keenaght/carrick/carrick-east/
If you use the mouse to manipulate the map you can see why some of us are mentioning Limavady, Ballykelly and if you look for these townlands on the same viewer above as well as Drumachose, you will see why these may be clues.
The fact that William the father may have been alive in 1868 will be a further clue.
NB I did search on Griffiths for Lachlan, but nothing in L'Derry. To me Lachlan is the Scottish version and Loughlin may be more common in Ireland. Spoken slightly differently I think. NB the landlord in the Carrick t/l is John Loughry.
You may find listings under M'Loughlin or O'Loughlin. Just add these to your list of names to search under.
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Are you able to put up the copy of the marriage certificate without the handwriting around it please? I am trying to bring up the image of the writing in the actual certificate but it pixelates probably because of the additional information around it. At first glance William describes himself as a bachelor and none of the children are described.
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On the following site there is a reference to a marriage of a William Loughlin in 1846.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
The certificate is available for purchase. Details are below.
Newtown Limavady was the older name for Limavady and you will note that already there have been possible 'sightings' around this town Drumachose etc of Loughlins. If you do decide to purchase this marriage certificate it is usually better to ask for a photocopy of the record rather than a transcription.
Name WILLIAM LOUGHLIN
Date of Event 1846
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownlimavady
Returns Year 1846
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 315
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Where do I apply for a photocopy please?
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Follow the link, and find the entry. It has the details of the place to apply.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
The volume number etc are in the listing I have already put up.
I think in the marriage certificate of 1855 the residence might be Partick rather than Patrick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partick
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I am pretty sure Samuel was not Jane Grieve's son, even though he was born in Barony Lanarkshire.
I was sure he had married prior to having Samuel to an Elizabeth (either Bell or Kerr), and she died not long after his birth, then he married Jane Grieve.
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Not sure when exactly Samuel was born in 1851, but there is a Lanarkshire death for a wee baby with a parent called William.
It may be that Elizabeth Kerr/Bell Loughlin died around then?
Name Mclachlan
Gender Male
Birth Date 01 Nov 1852
Birthplace GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Death Date 01 Nov 1852
Father's Name William Mclachlan
Perhaps William and Elizabeth got married in Scotland?
Name William Lauchlan
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Kerr
Event Date 29 Oct 1848
Event Place Ayr,Ayr,Scotland
There is a Kerr family around Limavady in Griffiths so likely that the families would have known each other, ie lived close by.
Do you have your line back to these Williams and the Samuel?
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Kerr is a common enough name around Limavady so that won't be enough to assume any sort of connection to your family. My Kerr ancestors from Drumachose Parish (just outside Limavady) also used the spelling Carr. Burials took place at the old Drumachose burying ground but very few stones remain and many of them are hardly legible or illegible.
William was born in Drumachose, Derry. on 15th April 1827.
This would likely be Drumachose Parish in Co. Londonderry. If the marriage was Church of Ireland then the records are quite good for such an early period.
C.I. Drumachose (Derry diocese) Baptisms, 1730-52 and 1804-98; marriages, 1728-53 and 1805-45; burials, 1730-36 and 1804-81; etc. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide_to_church_records.pdf
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I know the name Kerr could be correct, but this is what threw me - the name Bell. I can't find her birth, or their marriage though there is a death for her in 23 Sept 1854 aged 30 (of decline) - that would have been 3 years after Samuel was born, and 12 months before William married Jane Grieve when Samuel was just 2 years old in the 1861 census.
This marriage looked likely, but the year would be wrong.
Name: Elizabeth Bell
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 18 Jul 1845
Marriage Place: Barony,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse: William Mclachlan
FHL Film Number: 0994192, 0994193, 0994194, 0994195, 1041481, 0994191
1851 census
Name: William Laughline
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Parish Number: 622
Civil Parish: Barony
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 524 Duke Street
Occupation: Labourer - Brickfield
ED: 5C
Page: 13
Household schedule number: 48
LINE: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_145
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bell 34
Margaret Bell 30
Margaret Bell 15
John Bell 12
Elizabeth Bell 10
Jane Bell 7
Mary Bell 4
William Bell 11 Mo
William Laughline 24
Elisabeth Lanchline 24
Samuel Lanchline 2 Mo
Source Citation
Parish: Barony; ED: 5C; Page: 13; Line: 9; Roll: CSSCT1851_145; Year: 1851
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1851 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.
Original data: Scotland. 1851 Scotland Census. Reels 1-217. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland.
It seems they were boarders, with the Bell family - her brother perhaps?
In 1841
Name: Elizabeth Bell
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Eglinton Street
Occupation: Worsted Spinner
Parish Number: 644/2
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Bell 40
Ann Bell 40
Janet Bell 20
Margaret Bell 15
Elizabeth Bell 14
John Bell 12
Robert Bell 5
James Bell 3
In 1851
Name: Elizabeth Bell
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relationship: Daughter
Father: William Bell
Mother: Mary Bell
Gender: Female
Where born: Barony, Lanark
Parish Number: 652
Civil Parish: Old Monkland
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Barrachnie
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Flocks
Occupation: At Home
ED: 31
Page: 18
Household schedule number: 64
LINE: 16
Roll: CSSCT1851_171
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bell 49
Mary Bell 49
Elizabeth Bell 24
Mary Bell 18
William Bell 15
James Kinniburgh 19
Hmmmm I dont think that is right, as Elizabeth is in two 1851 censuses aged 24 in both :(
Meanwhile I will look up your suggestions and get back to you.
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Thanks Aghadowey. Hadn't meant to say for definite any connection Kerr/Carr connection.
While I am keen to help it does seem as though this is developing into a rather scattergun approach.
OP I would be keen for you to set out the later generations perhaps from say your grandfather back to either of the Williams/Samuel. This means that we are able to share in finding/referencing the connections ourselves.....many eyes etc. I am not sure, from what you have been posting, if you have fully explored this...ie looked at siblings and how the surnames have been rendered as you go back etc.
I am not sure if the Bell option is a goer, yet. Th reason for this is that while you have put William's status in the 1851 census you have not put Elisabeth's or John Bell's. So what did she say her relationship was to either the Bell family or even to William himself. In the 1851 census there is a 10 year old Elisabeth. I think to explore the Bell connection then concentrate on tracking back or forward the Bell family appearing in the 1851 census where you find William, Samuel and Elisabeth. It may be that they were known to either of the Ireland based families, they may have gone over before. I would also see if I could see a connection between the 10 year old Elizabeth Bell and the 24 year old Elisabeth Laughlin.....god parent, sponsor etc?
Is the death of Elisabeth Bell in 1854 under the name Bell or Laughlin or alternative spelling?
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L1 are my grandparents
L2 " " great grandfather with second wife Jane Grieve
L3 L2 is with Elizabeth Kerr (not proven) and Samuel -I mentioned earlier that Samuel shows up in the 1861 census as being with William Laughlan & Jane Grieve as being 10 yrs old.
The 1851 census shows him with a William Laughlan & Elizabeth (?) as "just" born, in other words "0 months"
You can see that William Laughlan & Jane Stewart were my great great grandparents. I dont know his siblings.
The 4th child of William and Jane Grieve (she went on to have 5 children) - was Jane Galloway Laughlan, and Jane Grieve's parents were Peter Grieve & Jane Galloway - further proof.
Still catching up.
Elizabeth Laughlan (tho spelt Lanchline) death certificate is sent separately as are the trees.
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am having trouble attaching. Will keep trying.
Sorry, I have to go out - I will try again when I get home. I know it doesnt make sense right now - I'll try once more.
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It came up once, but disappeared again :( no trying to send L3 & death cert.
I give up - I really must go, will try again when I get home.
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fingers crossed
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I am not sure if the Bell option is a goer, yet. The reason for this is that while you have put William's status in the 1851 census you have not put Elisabeth's or John Bell's. So what did she say her relationship was to either the Bell family or even to William himself. In the 1851 census there is a 10 year old Elisabeth. I think to explore the Bell connection then concentrate on tracking back or forward the Bell family appearing in the 1851 census where you find William, Samuel and Elisabeth. It may be that they were known to either of the Ireland based families, they may have gone over before. I would also see if I could see a connection between the 10 year old Elizabeth Bell and the 24 year old Elisabeth Laughlin.....god parent, sponsor etc?
I showed you earlier that Elisabeth was 24 and shown as the daughter of William Bell in 1861 Census
OK I give up - we will go for Kerr then.
In 1851
Name: Elizabeth Bell
Age: 24
Relationship: Daughter
Father: William Bell
Mother: Mary Bell
Gender: Female
Where born: Barony, Lanark
Town: Barrachnie
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Flocks
Occupation: At Home
ED: 31
Page: 18
Household schedule number: 64
LINE: 16
William was born in Drumachose, Derry. on 15th April 1827.
This would likely be Drumachose Parish in Co. Londonderry. If the marriage was Church of Ireland then the records are quite good for such an early period. C.I. Drumachose (Derry diocese) Baptisms, 1730-52 and 1804-98; marriages, 1728-53 and 1805-45; burials, 1730-36 and 1804-81; etc. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide_to_church_records.pdf
This didn't help (the site) to find any births, is there any other site?
Is the death of Elisabeth Bell in 1854 under the name Bell or Laughlin or alternative spelling?
Elisabeth Lanchline (copy sent earlier)
Not sure when exactly Samuel was born in 1851, but there is a Lanarkshire death for a wee baby with a parent called William.
It may be that Elizabeth Kerr/Bell Loughlin died around then?
Name Mclachlan
Gender Male
Birth Date 01 Nov 1852
Birthplace GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Death Date 01 Nov 1852
Father's Name William Mclachlan[/quote]
Cant be right because as I said, he was mentioned in both 1861 census with William (Laughlan) and Jane (Grieve)
I was told years ago that this census
William Langhland
in the 1861 Scotland Census
1861 Scotland Census
Name: William Langhland
Age: 33
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Langhland
Gender: Male
Where born: Irland
Town: Paisley
Address: 8 Moncrieff St
Occupation: Meness Labour
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 35
LINE: 10
shows a Sarah Langhland as 10 (and the person thinks its a bad transcription, that it should be Samuel who would be 10 in 1861. The next person is my grandfather (W J Langhland) I have today written to Ancestry to see if it can be proven or fixed.
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great will have a look! thanks again
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William was born in Drumachose, Derry. on 15th April 1827.
This would likely be Drumachose Parish in Co. Londonderry. If the marriage was Church of Ireland then the records are quite good for such an early period. C.I. Drumachose (Derry diocese) Baptisms, 1730-52 and 1804-98; marriages, 1728-53 and 1805-45; burials, 1730-36 and 1804-81; etc. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide_to_church_records.pdf
This didn't help (the site) to find any births, is there any other site?
What I posted was a link to show what church records are available as far as baptisms, marriages, etc. Civil registration of births started in 1864. The microfilm is at PRONI but not online.
shows a Sarah Langhland as 10 (and the person thinks its a bad transcription, that it should be Samuel who would be 10 in 1861. The next person is my grandfather (W J Langhland) I have today written to Ancestry to see if it can be proven or fixed.
The census image should be in Scotland's People database which would show what is actually written rather than Ancestry's transcription.
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Elizabeth Lachlan dies in September 1854. The unnamed child with a father called William McLachlan was one who was born and died in Nov 1852 so she could possibly be the mother of this child. If it was a difficult or premature birth it could have contributed to her death later as a result of a decline.
1851 census
Name: William Laughline
Age: 24
Relationship: Lodger
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 524 Duke Street
Occupation: Labourer - Brickfield
ED: 5C
Page: 13
Household schedule number: 48
LINE: 9
This looks likely for the little family of three - William, Elisabeth and Samuel. William has put himself down as lodger rather than brother in law. The 1851 Scottish census was carried out as at 31/3/1851 so Samuel at 2 months would have been born in late January 1851 perhaps. The census shows William as being born in Ireland (irland). What are the birth places of Elisabeth and the Bell family in that census.
The earlier and later Bell entries don't look as likely to me, yet. The John Bell in the 1841 census is shown as being 2 years younger than the Elizabeth Bell in that census. In the 1851 census above the John Bell is shown as being 10 years older than Elizabeth.
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So it is William and Jane Grieve Loughlin who are your direct ancestors and their eldest child William John? Then back to Ireland and William's father William and his wife Jane Stewart. Samuel, the son of William and his first wife Elizabeth who died in 1854, would be the half brother of William John. And a step gt uncle? Is that your reading of it?
I am still feeling that it is perhaps the Elisabeth Kerr/Carr Loughlin Irish connection who is the mother of Samuel and that either the 1846 Irish or the 1848? Ayr marriage are possibly theirs. I would have expected to see an earlier birth than Samuel's.
A shortlived baby to a Wm Laughlan in Lanark
Name Laughlan
Gender Male
Birth Date 16 Mar 1848
Birthplace GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Death Date 16 Mar 1848
Father's Name William Laughlan
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What I posted was a link to show what church records are available as far as baptisms, marriages, etc. Civil registration of births started in 1864. The microfilm is at PRONI but not online.
shows a Sarah Langhland as 10 (and the person thinks its a bad transcription, that it should be Samuel who would be 10 in 1861. The next person is my grandfather (W J Langhland) I have today written to Ancestry to see if it can be proven or fixed.
The census image should be in Scotland's People database which would show what is actually written rather than Ancestry's transcription.
It should, but I can't find it. I have written to them to ask if they can find it, as all the details are on it.
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Not sure what I posted that was deleted, but as I said earlier, these are from my notes
Name: Sarah Langhland
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Jane
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 573/3
Registration district: Paisley Middle Church
Civil parish: Paisley Middle Church
Town: Paisley
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 8 Moncrieff St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 35
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1861_80
Household Members: Name Age
William Langhland 33 born Ireland
Jane Langhland 26 born Paisley
Sarah Langhland 10
Just found some more notes of the 1861 census, but I dont have a copy of it, and I cant find it on Scotlands People
1861 Census of Scotland
Moncrieff St
William Laughland H Married 33 Miners Labourer
Jane Laughland W Married 26
Samuel son 10 scholar
William John Son 2
George Laughland Son 6 months
Here, William is 33 and a miners labourer.
So it is William and Jane Grieve Loughlin who are your direct ancestors and their eldest child William John? Then back to Ireland and William's father William and his wife Jane Stewart. Samuel, the son of William and his first wife Elizabeth who died in 1854, would be the half brother of William John. And a step gt uncle? Is that your reading of it? [/size]
Correct, Not sure who is the step gt uncle of who though.
That's up to date I think, will check and see if there are any more questions to be answered.
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The items removed were whole pages from Scotland's People (the large CROWN COPYRIGHT wording on the page is a clue).
The 1861 census entry is easily found in Scotland's People database. Perhaps you were using Ancestry's mis-transcription to do the searching in SP?
LAUGHLAND, WILLIAM age 33 ref.: 573/3 12/ 6 RD: Paisley Middle Church County: Renfrew
Doing further searches they show a ten year old Samuel Laughland on the same page. Also Jane (26), William John (2) & George (0)
It will only cost you 6 credits to view the image.
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Re the step gt uncle ..it would not be your 'step' but half gt uncle. I made a mistake saying 'step'. Half is the correct relationship. Samuel born 1851 is the half brother of your grandfather? ie Samuel is the half brother of William John who is your ancestor. So the children of William John, your parent among them, would have Samuel as their half uncle and you would have Samuel as your half gt uncle.
PS I note that one of my posts was edited. I find this odd as I do not have access to anything other than the indexes of SP, as it is a paying site. I think I may have C & P'd from an earlier post and that might have been taken from SP? It certainly did not have Crown Copyright on it.
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I lost a whole post >:(
Samuel is my half grand uncle according to the relationship calculator.
I bought the 1861 census - but it had appeared almost the same as the notes I had previously provided only this time it was shown as Samuel (not Sarah).
William (his father) being 33 - he is a ? labourer b in Ireland, Jane 26 b Renfrewshire, Paisley, Samuel 10, Scholar of Lanarkshire, Glasgow, William Jnr 2, son of Ayreshire, Auchinleck and then George ? mths, of Paisley, Renfrewshire. Just in case you were wondering, my grandfather was definitely was born in Auchinleck (Cronberry in fact) as his father was working in the mines at the time. I cannot read what sort of labourer he was (it says something labour). I am having trouble saving this census - for some reason it won't open. Will have to contact Scotlands People.
So it's back to the drawing board to find out if it was Elizabeth Kerr who married William Laughland.