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Title: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: Richard Potter on Tuesday 22 May 18 21:57 BST (UK)
I wonder if anyone can help me identify a family emblem that appears on my late father’s shotgun stock. I believe it belongs to a previous owner and is not related to the family. I’m not even sure exactly what it shows, perhaps a dragon or horse head holding an axe in its mouth. Any help greatly appreciated. Richard
Title: Re: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Tuesday 22 May 18 23:22 BST (UK)
It is totally unlike any heraldic beast I have seen. The head looks like a boar, holding a seax, but the neck is very unusual, possibly aquatic.  I will be watching this thread!

Any relevant family connections will help.

Martin
Title: Re: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 23 May 18 07:13 BST (UK)
It's not a seax ;D
A seax is a curved sword with a notch - see the arms of Essex & Middlesex.

For me, it's a dragon's head, holding a battle-axe in it's mouth.

Not that this helps in identification!
Title: Re: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Wednesday 23 May 18 08:35 BST (UK)
Of course. And I'm in Middx.

Martin
Title: Re: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: Richard Potter on Wednesday 23 May 18 09:19 BST (UK)
Thanks @Mart 'n' Al and @KGarrad for your comments.

Unfortunately I do not have any family reference to go on here, the initials on the second roundel are my late fathers and not related - the crest (if thats the right term) I believe belonged to a previous or the original owner.

R
 
Title: Re: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: starcat on Wednesday 23 May 18 10:19 BST (UK)
I think its a sea horse with an axe & according to Heraldry symbolism, the sea horse represents, the power of water  & the axe, Execution of military duty.
Title: Re: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: Karen McDonald on Wednesday 23 May 18 10:46 BST (UK)
I don't think seahorses are that common in coats of arms, which makes this even more interesting:

https://coadb.com/surnames/potter-arms.html

Quote:
Blazons & Genealogy Notes
1) (co. Chester). Ar. a chev. gu. betw. three erm. spots.
2) (cos. Devon, Kent, Oxford, Leicester, and Somerset). Sa. a fess erm. betw. three cinquefoils ar. (another, or). Crest—A seahorse or (another, ppr.).
3) (Сhristopher Potter, D.D., Proyost of Queen’s College, Oxford, and Dean of Worcester, d. 3 March, 1645). Ar. on a pale az. three pairs of wings conjoined and elevated of the first.
4) (Buile Hill, near Manchester; Sir John Potter, Knt., J.P. for that city and co. Lancaster, son of Sir Thomas Potter, the first Mayor of Manchester, received knighthood on the Queen’s visit to that city in 1851). Sa. on a fess erm. betw. in chief two cinquefoils pierced or, and in base a knight’s helmet ppr. a terrestrial globe also ppr. betw. two garbs of the third. Crest—On a mount vert a seahorse erect ppr. gorged with a collar gemel sa. and supporting a rudder or.
5) Ar. on a pale az. three wings conjoined of the first. Crest—A star of twelve rays or, betw. a pair of wings ar.
6) Ar. on a chief az. two fleshpots or.
7) (William Potter, Esq., of Liverpool). Az. a fess vairé or and gu. cotised engr. betw. three cinquefoils of the second. Crest—A seahorse or, in front of a cross crosslet fitchée gu.


Karen
Title: Re: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: Istrice on Wednesday 23 May 18 11:57 BST (UK)
The proof mark on the barrel of the gun might be a starting point to finding the original owner.

The following may be of assistance (https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/articles/514-2/ (https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/articles/514-2/))

Happy hunting

Istrice
Title: Re: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Wednesday 23 May 18 12:27 BST (UK)
It's a Dragon "couped" and a cut shaft "Pole-axe".

Malky
Title: Re: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 23 May 18 13:31 BST (UK)
It's a Dragon "couped" and a cut shaft "Pole-axe".

Malky

I'd go along with that ;D
(Hadn't spotted the broken shaft :-[)

I have attached a snippet of a dragon's head from another armorial.
Title: Re: Help identifying a crest/emblem
Post by: Richard Potter on Thursday 24 May 18 14:24 BST (UK)
Thanks All,

At least I now know what it is! I will explore the gun route suggested and see where that takes me, starting with thh maker to see if I can get any records from them.

Thanks again

Richard