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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: HDeFer on Wednesday 23 May 18 03:30 BST (UK)
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Lots of Evan Evans in my family. Looking for information on three of them.
The youngest Evan, is my GG Grandfather. Lived in Gerlan, near Bethesda, until 1904 - when he moved to Mountain Ash in South Wales. We believe that he worked at Penhryn Quarry until the strike. Cannot figure out where he is buried...Mountain Ash, or was he laid to rest near Gerlan. Do not have a death date for him, but know that he was born around 1874 in Llanllechid. Have record of his baptism at Glanogwen Church confirming that.
Evan's older brother Evan, is the second one I am looking for information on. He was born 1860, in Llanidan Anglesey. He passed away before the 1881 census (likely before his brother Evan was born in 1874, so we think he died at around age 13) and I have no other information about him, other than he had moved with the family to Gerlan. Would like to know what happened to him and where he is buried.
Their father Evan Griffith Evans (not a very creative family ;) ) was born in 1835 in Malldraeth, Anglesey. He moved to Gerlan before the 1881 census, and lived there at 16 Goronwy St. (His older son Evan had passed away by then, and the younger son Evan (my GG Grandfather) was 7). He passed away in November of 1904 in Gerlan, and I have his death notice, but cannot figure out where he was buried. Notice even stated that he was a church going man, and a member of the Conservative Party.
Essentially would like to know where my Evan Evans' were buried, and any other information that can be found on them. Thank you in advance for any help! My sister and I are traveling to Gerlan (from the US) in less than a month, so we would love to be able to check out some of these places.
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Welcome to rootschat
Evan's older brother Evan, is the second one I am looking for information on. He was born 1860, in Llanidan Anglesey. He passed away before the 1881 census (likely before his brother Evan was born in 1874, so we think he died at around age 13) and I have no other information about him, other than he had moved with the family to Gerlan. Would like to know what happened to him and where he is buried.
Do you have him on 1871 census :-\
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Hi,
I can see the family on censuses from 1861 to 1891 -
1861 - In Brynsciencyn, Anglesey Evan 26; Mary (wife ) 29 with sons Thomas 4 and Evan 1.Mary seem to originate from Llangeinwen and Evan from Maltreath - both in Anglesey.
1871 - In Well Street, Llanllechid, Evan 36 Mary 37, Thomas 13, Evan 11, Mary 8, Owen 6, Emmanuel 4 Robert John 10 months.
1881 - In Goronowy Street, Llanllechid - Evan Evans 47, Mary 48, Thomas 28, Mary 18, Owen 16, Emmanuel 14, Robert 10, Evan 7.
1891 - Still in Goronowy Street, Evan 56, Mary 58, Emmanuel 24, Robert 20, Evan 17.
If you look for a death of the young Evan (born 1860) it looks like he died in 1873 age 13 - Free BMD has a death for Bangor District Mar Qtr Reference 11b/418 which may be him.
If you subscribe to the Ancestry genealogy site you will see a number of family trees relating to some family members - perhaps you would be able to contact them prior to your visit? I haven't checked them all but for example one tree suggests that Owen Evans died in 1924 in the Bethesda area. It is also suggested that the father of Evan Evans (born c1835) was Thomas Evans (c1802) with his father being an Emmanuel Evans.
It looks to me there is a quite a big family out there waiting for you to find them.
Hope this helps
Alan
Another god source to look at is www.familysearch.org which may help you to find more information.
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Burial at Glanogwen 1st April 1873
Evan Evans of 19 Well Street, Gerlan age 13
1901 Evan the elder still in Goronowy Street with wife Mary.
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Hi,
I have some of the Gwynedd Family History Society publications relating to parts of Anglesey (South West Sector) and can give you information on the early names -
In the parish of Trefdreath -,
Emmanuel Evans of Tyn Llwyn, buried 31 Aug 1836 age 73;
His wife was Elizabeth Jones also of Tyn Llwyn was buried age 79 on 2 July 1842.
The baptism booklet shows a Joseph Evans being baptised at Capel Bethel, Trefdreath on 7 October 1806 - Emmanuel's parish is shown as Trefdreath, Elizabeth's being Denbighshire - Llansannan.
There are several more names in the burials booklet relating to Tyn Llwyn as follows -
Thomas Evans - age 43 - 28 May 1842
William Evans - age 6 months - 20 Feb 1843
Thomas Evans - age 3 - 3 Nov 1841
Emmanuel Evans - age 2 - 13 March 1838
Elizabeth Evans - age 25 - 4 December 1839
Not sure how it all fits together but at least it is a start.
There is also the mention of a Marsly Rowland age 88 from Tyn Llwyn buried on 8 December 1818 and a Margaret Evans age 1 said to be daughter of Evan Joseph late of Tyn Llywn on 12 July 1843.
Food for thought.
Alan
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Hi,
The memorial inscription booklet for St Nidan Church, Brynsciencyn has the grave of Joseph Evans (C041) who was buried October 1863 - age 58 and his son Owen - age 25 who was buried with him on 26 December 1865. His address was Tyn'rardd, Llanidan.
If you so wish, you can see Joseph, his wife Mary and family in the 1841/51/61 census records.
Alan
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Thank you everyone! Looks like you are all spot on with identifying the family, and did give me some new information - Emmanuel Evans death date for example. Much appreciated!
I can piece together some of the other death dates that you found...
I believe there was quite a sad time in the family with regards to this group.
"Thomas Evans - age 43 - 28 May 1842
William Evans - age 6 months - 20 Feb 1843
Thomas Evans - age 3 - 3 Nov 1841
Emmanuel Evans - age 2 - 13 March 1838
Elizabeth Evans - age 25 - 4 December 1839"
Thomas was married to Elizabeth, who passed away in 1839.
Thomas and his son Evan (not on the list and is my GGG Grandfather) moved in with Elizabeth - who was the widow of Emmanuel.
Thomas passed away in 1842.
Elizabeth (Thomas' mother) died right after the census in 1841.
Not sure where little Emmanuel and William fit into the mix, first I've heard their names - but that doesn't mean they don't fit in there :-)
So, the grandfather, grandmother, mother, father, and possibly 3 siblings of my GGG Grandfather Evan Evans all passed away with a few years, leaving him quite alone as a young boy (I believe he was around 7 during the census). In the next census it shows Evan (or an Evan with the same name - which I realize is quite likely) as a servant on a farm on Anglesey. What a life he must have had.
I looked up the burial registration for the young Evan (born 1860) and that record does look like it belongs to the right guy, meaning he is buried at Glanogwen. I have the death record for his father, Evan Evans, having passed away in November 1904 at between 66 and 69 years of age, but cannot locate where he is buried (record says Llanllechid). Anything that popped up in your searches that may have been related to him? My thought is that he is buried at Glanogwen as well. Most of his children were baptized there over a span of quite a few years. We cannot locate him in the parish death records though.
As for Tyn Llwyn, any clue if it is still standing? Would love to be able to drive by it in a few weeks when we visit. Sounds like it was in the family for a while.
Thank you all for your help. It is exciting to find information on a large group of family members like this. I have been so impressed by this group of wonderful people willing to help in the search.
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Hi,
Family Search has the baptism of a William Evans 24 March 1803 father Mannel Evans - is it possible that he was another brother for Thomas and Joseph? Maybe Emmanuel and William belong to him?
I don't know the area too well but you could perhaps ask on the Anglesey Board if anyone knows where Tyn Llwyn is in Maltreath? The censuses always show at the beginning of the census a description of the area contained in that census area.
For example in 1841 (District 14 which contains Tyn Llwyn) it says all that part of Trefdreath which lies on the east side of the road leading from Tan y Lan to Yard Maltreath inclusive of yard, village to north side of river.
Alan
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Go to Maximum enlargement and Tyn Llwyn is on bottom left near fork in road betwen Trefdraeth Quarry and Y Gorlan
http://map.coflein.gov.uk/index.php?action=do_zoom&cache_name=gazetteer_ora_trefdraeth&gazid=174827
On Google Maps you can see the lane leading to it on maximum magnification and if you zoom oout you can see it from the air. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.2052329,-4.3839204,3a,75y,126.29h,55.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM1nvvFJ0Y2LV04CbdtPQkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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There's an entry for Emmanuel Evans having contributed to the British and Foreign Bible Society:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Fnaw1M8thfIC&pg=RA8-PA7&lpg=RA8-PA7&dq=tyn+llwyn+trefdraeth&source=bl&ots=1xzdJQOGDB&sig=UJIrVbCVQsmtY4aNlT9lW_kavRM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWmre_7p3bAhUPMuwKHco0CZ84ChDoAQgoMAE#v=onepage&q=tyn%20llwyn%20trefdraeth&f=false
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Mr Evan Evans, of Cardiff, and Cefnpennar House, Mountain Ash, who died at Northlands, Cardiff, on the 13th August 1905?
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3576396/3576398/8/Evan%20Evans%20Gerlan
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Evan Evans was still alive on the 1939 Reg.
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Hi,
Looking again at your first post you mention that your GGG Grandfather (born c1835 in Maltreath) was Evan Griffith Evans. I wondered if his son (Born c1874) was also given Griffith as his middle name?
I ask this because on Free BMD there is a birth of an Evan Griffith Evans - Bangor District Dec Quarter 1873 Reference 11b/492 and a death of an Evan G Evans in Pontypridd District March Quarter 1945 age 71 Reference 11a/559.
The dates/areas/ages seem to fit and I wondered if this could be your GG Grandfather's missing details?
Alan
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Hi,
You think you may have cracked it and then...
Just to make it more difficult I have just found that there is an Evan Evans on North Wales BMD as well as Evan Griffith Evans (whose reference was BANB2/21/74) in the sub district of Llanllechid -
also in 1873 - this reference being BANB2/21/42.
And in Pontypridd 2 potential deaths for Evan Evans where the dates/ages appear to tie in - Sept Quarter 1940 age 67 (11a/829) or June Qtr 1959 age 86 (8b/492).
Never easy is it?
Alan
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Looking at deaths, there are a couple of Evans G Evans's in Mountain Ash, one at least born same year, but neither of them the right ones:
There is an Evan G Evans on the 1901 census for 25 Commercial Street Mountain Ash, but he was born in Cardiganshire.
There's an Evan Glyndwr Evans on 1939 Reg, but date of birth is illegible
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Hi,
You initially said Evan (c1874) lived in Gerlan until 1904. I wondered if you could provide a bit more detail please?
His parents are still in Goronowy Strret in 1901, but I am struggling to find him in the 1901 census - could it be your man age 29 at Tan y Foel, Bethesda married to Mary (also 29) or perhaps assuming he may have moved to South Wales before the census, could it possibly be the single man age 28 born in Caernarvonshire who is boarding at 31 Morgan Street, Pontypridd with the Reynold Williams family?
It might help find him if you could confirm Evan's wifes name and when/where they married?
Alan
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Thank you everyone! You have been most helpful.
Tall Al - the holes you have found are some that we have found as well. I do not know much more about his wife Mary (that could be them at Tan y Foel), other than she was born around 1833 in Llangeinwen, Anglesey. I can see them in the census records in the Village of Brynsiencen in the 1861 census, and at 19 Well Street in Gerlan in the 1871 census, with children Thomas, Evan, Mary, Owen, Emmanuel, and Robert John. In the 1881 census, they are at 16 Goronwy St., Gerlan, with Thomas, (son Evan passed away in 1873) Mary, Owen, Emmanuel, Robert, and Evan (7 years old). 1891 the family is at the same address, with Evan, Mary, Emmanuel, Robert, and Evan living in the home.
I have not yet traced her back before the 1861 census, or she and Evan (GGG) after the 1891 census. I do think it may be them in the 1901 census at Tan y Foel, so I'll continue digging into that. His son Evan (my GG Grandfather), no wonder I am confused, married Elizabeth sometime between the 1891 and 1901 in Gerlan. In 1901 I have Evan and Elizabeth, along with Evan Thomas Evans, Maggie M, and Robert John (my Great Grandfather) at 6 Goronwy St. in Gerlan. In the 1911 census they are at 54 Cilhaul Terrace in Mountain Ash, Glamorgan.
I have Evan Evans (GGG) death record from 1904, but no mention of Mary. Most of the men are listed as Quarrymen, possibly/probably working at Penrhyn at some point, which may have been their motivation to move south. I am hoping to get to the Gwynedd Records office to look at the Penrhyn documents - would like to confirm that they worked there, and what their involvement was in the strikes.
On our ancestry tree, it shows Evan Evans (GG) as having a death date of 1940 in Mountain Ash, Wales. I do not see any supporting documentation there, but it is possible.
Thank you for your help! Let me know if there is any other info that would be helpful and I will try to fill in what we know if possible, but I don't think I have much more than what is above.
Heather
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Hi,
Thank you for the extra details - it helps to eliminate several possibilities in the censuses.
Having looked into this again, I think you are left with the task of obtaining death certificates from the General Register Office if you are to complete the picture. Unfortunately there is no guarantee that any certificates you may send for will be the right ones.
Evan (c1835) as you say died Nov 1904 age 66 and I think it could be his wife Mary who died 7 years later in Mar Quarter 1912 (Bangor) age 77 reference 11b/686
Evan (who according to the 1939 register was born 15 April 1873) I think is the one who died Mar Quarter 1940 age 67. His wife Elizabeth (born 17 March 1873) - her potential death could be either
Mar Quarter 1946 age 72 Pontypridd 11a/531 or June Quarter 1946 age 73 Pontypridd 11a/435.
I am afraid it is guesswork but unfortunately, I can't think of any other way to answer the questions - however I do hope that the extra information you have obtained so far helps your forthcoming visit.
Kindest regards
Alan
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Thank you Alan! That does help me with birth and death dates to go into the Records Office with. I appreciate your time and energy in this search!
Kindest regards,
Heather
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Tall Al - In the memorial inscription book for St. Nidan's in Brynsiencyn, do you see where Joseph's actual grave is? I see that you have C041 as the grave location, but I can't find a grave map anywhere. He may be the only Evans of this family with an actual headstone...all of the others that I can find are buried at Trefdraeth, and do not have a marked grave, or a grave location (no memorial inscription for any of Joseph's siblings or parents in the Trefdraeth book). Have a friend that lives nearby, said he would head over to the cemetery if I can give him a rough location. Thank you!
Heather
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Hi Heather,
From the side gate on the A4080 Llanedwen to Brynsciencyn road, the section immediately to your left is section A, section B is the other side of the church with sections C,D and E behind the church.
From the pathway to the back of the church immediately at the rear of the church on the right hand side of the path, you will see a double grave C023/024 - Lewis, next to this is C025 - No inscription, and C026 - Williams. It looks like (I assume it to be) a small grass path next to it - which leads to C038/C039/C040 - All Hughes families. Between this path and another grass path is C09 - Price and immediately behind this is C041 with Joseph and Owen. From the church to the right of the second grass path is C042 - Williams and C043 - Griffith.
Hope this helps
Alan
From the church to the right of the
Behind C09 is C041
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Thank you so very much!
Heather