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I am searching for any information on any Colonel and/or General Doughty's from around the late 1700's / early 1800's in the USA.
I have copies of family letters from an Eliza (Elizabeth) Doughty (5x G Grandmother) writing to her daughter Emma in the UK from the USA, referencing her husband (presumably), a Colonel Doughty. Later letters refer to him as General Doughty.
Further, we understand Emma Doughty married a Captain Wild, who fought in the Peninsular Wars for the British who had a child named Emma Caroline Wild (born in France).
The only Colonel / General Doughty I can find that would fit timing wise would be General John Doughty (b.1754), but any genealogy links only show he has one son - James.
Generals George S. Doughty (b.1795), Enoch Doughty (b.1792) and Solomon Doughty (b.1772) - would all be likely too late.
Any help appreciated
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Hello,
Emma Caroline Wild, father Benjamin Wild married Thomas Hesslegrave, a Land Surveyor at Manchester Cathedral 1st September 1836.
A witness was Ann Jane Wild.
Heywood
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Previous thread with back ground info
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=608108.0
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra.
So my information is redundant :-\
I thought from the wording that Emma Caroline was ‘understood’ to be the daughter but no information.
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In the previous thread, mention is made of ‘Benjamin Wild’ being present at the marriage of Emma.
This isn’t quite right. He is named as her father and as a witness.
Information was given re a possible Benjamin Wild on the thread but no acknowledgment from mjtaylor1978.
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Hi Heywood / *Sandra*
Thanks - I appreciate you looking at this and responding so swiftly.
My real concern / area for research is the Doughty connection in the US (through either Colonel / General Doughty or Elizabeth / Emma). The Wild part I have and was provided for info.
Thanks
Marcus
As a side note - Apologies for not acknowledging in public for the prior responses, but private messages between myself and prior respondents to my posts have led to further securing of information to which I have been very grateful. I didn't feel the need to clog up a public message board with a thank you to the world. You will note on my other posts however where I have not followed up privately and people have gone to the effort of responding I have acknowledged graciously.
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Thanks for the clarification Marcus.
I realise from your posting on US board, that that is the focus but I had thought you were rather vague re Emma Wild and was hoping to help you find more about her. However that is no problem now. I was interested too, as I always am, when families are in my local area. ;)
With regard to the other thread, you have highlighted a problem where information is passed through personal messages and not on the public forum. You would not be ‘clogging up a public message board’ if you just pointed out that you now had the information. It helps others who might search unnecessarily on your behalf.
Good luck with your research
Heywood
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Noted re message boards and thank you again.
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It’s a pleasure and not a negative criticism ;)
Going back to your request, was Mrs Doughty resident in US or just there temporarily with her husband?
What dates re the letter/s?
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Thanks
There is no date on the letters though my grandfather who filed the original wrote the following:
"Letter from America written in the days of the paddle steamer......from Elizabeth Doughty to her daughter Emma"!
From Wikipedia research this "time of the paddle steamer" would appear to be from around 1807.
What I do know however:
Eliza Doughty (DOB unknown, Place of Birth unknown)
mother of
Emma Doughty (DOB unknown, Place of Birth unknown)
married
Benjamin Wild (DOB 1792, Manchester, UK, Died 1836, Manchester) - various ranks in the army (29th Regiment of Foot) through Peninsular War.
parents of
Emma Caroline Wild (DOB 1819, France (British Subject))
Assuming youngest age to be with child being say 18, and not more than 2 years older than her husband, this would put her DOB approx between 1790 and 1801.
Also reference to grandchildren in the letter - Mary and "the boys" - so no Emma Caroline yet.
Thus would put the date of the letters any time between 1810 (if already at least 2 children) and 1819 when Emma Caroline arrived!! (Fits with the paddle steamers!)
Lots of holes and assumptions here but best I can go with.
Whether Elizabeth was resident or visiting is unknown - though have found no Colonel or General Doughy's in the British Army at this time (if visiting).
Thanks and best regards
Marcus
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The first transatlantic voyage by paddle steamer was in 1819 - the SS Savannah.
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Thanks Shaun - had not picked that up - something to look further into today.
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Evidently the John Doughty you mentioned married an Elizabeth LaFever about 1778 in New Jersey. Son James was mentioned as the "first child" in the info I saw from Family Treemaker.
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Thanks SLStephens.
I hadn't picked up anywhere that James was "first child" and assumed was an only child.
Thanks again
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I am searching for any information on any Colonel and/or General Doughty's from around the late 1700's / early 1800's in the USA.
I have copies of family letters from an Eliza (Elizabeth) Doughty (5x G Grandmother) writing to her daughter Emma in the UK from the USA, referencing her husband (presumably), a Colonel Doughty. Later letters refer to him as General Doughty.
Further, we understand Emma Doughty married a Captain Wild, who fought in the Peninsular Wars for the British who had a child named Emma Caroline Wild (born in France).
The only Colonel / General Doughty I can find that would fit timing wise would be General John Doughty (b.1754), but any genealogy links only show he has one son - James.
Generals George S. Doughty (b.1795), Enoch Doughty (b.1792) and Solomon Doughty (b.1772) - would all be likely too late.
Any help appreciated
Just an update on further research on this.
Whilst the family understanding was that Benjamin Wild married an Emma Doughty - this may not have been completely accurate.
What we have discovered is as follows:
1) We have found Eliza Doughty (born England) in the 1850 US Census living with a William Doughty (who has turned out to be Colonel William Doughty - naval architect - which fits). Residing with them is an Ann Jane Wild (born England). They were residing in Georgetown, Washington DC
2) We have found William Doughty's last will and testament which mentions his "Step Daughter" Annie Jane Wild (though by this stage in 1859 - he had a different wife, thus assume Eliza(beth) had died sometime during the 1850's. This Will also mentions her sister Emma and a brother Edward.
3) I have found Capt Benjamin Wild of the 29th Regiment, as father to 2 children baptised in Walmer, Kent (presumably at based at the barracks there) in 1816. Mother listed as Elizabeth. Children baptised were Ann Jane Wild (born 1814) and James Lees Wild (born 1816).
4) Further I have found a burial inscription / memorial to Benjamin in Manchester following his death, beloved husband of Eliza, buried with his son James Lees Wild (died age 12) and John McCandlish Wild (born 1830 / died @ 15 months).
Thus have deduced that "Emma Doughty" never existed and has been added to the family tree somewhere over the last 150 years.
Captain Benjamin Wild married an Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) who had at least 4 children - Ann Jane, James Lees, Emma Caroline (born France) and then a gap to John McCandlish (though maybe also an Edward somewhere)
After Benjamin's death in 1836 (and before 1850) Elizabeth Wild heads to the US and marries a Col William Doughty - though I can find no evidence of this other than the Census, Will and a single mention on here - http://cowaro.com/Genealogy/Surname_file/Doughty.html#LB_50 - with a mention of 1844.
Thus the letters we have that are from Eliza Doughty to Emma are actually to Emma Caroline - which also fits as names contained within also fit with the "grandchildren" mentioned.
So next step would be - does anyone have evidence or know where to find evidence of a marriage between Eliza(beth) Wild and William Doughty (1773-1859) in Washington DC? US records I find are sparse online for DC.
Also back to the drawing board on Eliza(beth)'s maiden name - though wondering if the "Lees" or "McCandlish" connection may appear somewhere.....
Many thanks
Marcus
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There's a lot of Doughty's in USA on familysearch.
This hasn't been mentioned on this Thread as far as I can see.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doughty.
Found William Doughty on 1850 Census District of Columbia - Washington - Georgetown, NW Ward.
202/216
William Doughty 77 bn Pennsylvania
Elizabeth 53 bn England
Anne G Wilde 33 bn England
Wilde's said to be related to Sir John Moore (General British Army and Corunna).
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https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045462/1856-11-21/ed-1/seq-2/
- third column, towards the bottom, records that "Mrs Doughty", wife of "Col William Doughty", had died on Wednesday night after a few days's illness.
Paper's date was 21 November 1856, a Friday, so that puts her death as 19th November 1856.
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84020074/1844-05-15/ed-1/seq-3/
- here, a mention of the death of Eleanor Doughty, wife of Col. William Doughty. She was 74 in 1844 (but I suppose he was in his 70s by this point too?)
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Fantastic - thank you.
The dates fit, though he also had a further wife - Mary Ann - before his own death in 1879 - who survived him and is mentioned in his Will.
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Hi I live in the US in a town called Somerville N.J. Eliza Van Arsdale Doughty is the full name of the woman who’s letters you possess. Her husband was a state senator named Eugene S. Doughty. They came from an affluent powerful family with both military and political ties throughout central New Jersey. My friend and I would love to see a copy of those letters as we are currently investigating the remnants of the property where this family once had their ancestral home.
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Also the family had several military members holding ranks of colonel or higher. Eliza Doughty would have entered the family through marriage to Eugene Doughty and his father Solomon Doughty was in fact a Major General in the US army, possibly even having served during the American revolution.
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Hi Guitarswithcapos - I am not sure this will be the right Eliza Doughty, as this one was certainly married to a Benjamin Wild here in the UK prior to her move to the US. The names of the grandchildren noted in the letter doesn't match either.
Thanks for coming back though - but the mystery continues.
Best regards
Marcus