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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: jolby on Thursday 24 May 18 13:25 BST (UK)
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hello,
im trying to locate the birth entry for Amy Alexandra Earle, in Cardiff please. I have been informed she was a twin but I do not no anymore than that.
I have on the death index her date of birth is 6/1/1908 and on the 1939 register it is 6/1/1909. I cant find for either of these years.
in 1911 I have her living with her dad William and brother Francis at 19 South Sutton Place, Cardiff.
I found the birth register for Francis and that states mum pople. I have a marriage for William Earle to Amy Pople in 1899 and Amy's (mum) death in 1910 Cardiff
I have also found other children from the gro index's they are Florence may 1901, bertha Louise 1903, who were boarding elsewhere in 1911. William john 1905, died 1906, William john born and died 1909. George 1910 living with grandparents in banwell Somerset in 1911
She married Arthur Edward Reynolds in 1936.
I do not have the marriage certificate but on the 1939 register where she is living with Arthur her dad William A Earle is also living with them his date of birth from that is 23.06.1872 and my mums cousin remembers him living with them
I am unable to locate a birth entry for her so wondered if anyone has any suggestions please ....
thank you for reading
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Have you looked into the death of Lily Gladys Earle aged 0, Dec qtr 1908 Cardiff, in case she is Amy’s twin?
I can’t easily see a birth registration for either of them, I must say.
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thank you,
no I haven't I hadn't actually seen that death! umm that's interesting thank you. bit bizarre i cant find any birth and you say not for this one either
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No I can't find a birth either :-\
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William john 1905, died 1906, William john born and died 1909. George 1910
That's a lot of births close together if twins were squeezed in between as well :o
Does it match the 1911 total of children born/died if you include twins?
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Don’t think it all adds up. 1911 says 8 children (in 11 years), 5 have died, 3 still living, yet 2 are with dad on the 1911, 1 is boarding elsewhere and 1 is with grandparents. 🤔
Edited: many apologies, 5 still living, 3 have died, i had it the wrong way around 🙄
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thank you
1911 says 8 born 5 still living 3 died
Amy and Francis with dad, George with grandparents, bertha and Florence boarding elsewhere,
William john and William john have died before 1911.
that's 7 so definitely a child unaccounted for who had died. i think i best order the cert for lily. no clue though why they would not have been registered i thought it was the law then ?
jo
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So the numbers do add up then.
Yes I think sending for Lily is a sensible idea. Maybe the birth registrations slipped through the net or mum genuinely forgot to register them with such a lot on her plate.
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I don’t know if this will confirm the birth of Lily Grace Earle as a twin of Amy’s but she was buried on 30 Nov 1908, aged 11 months, which would fit with Amy’s birthdate of 6 Jan 1908. At Cathays cemetery in Cardiff, section T, grave 841. Sadly buried with 5 apparently unrelated others, including 4 babies.
Mum Amy is buried - 29 June 1920, aged 33 - at the same cemetery, section A, grave 1292, with 2 others (unrelated by surname).
Dad William Alexander Earle, 31 Jan 1950, aged 77, same cemetery, section EP, grave 2116, with an apparently unrelated child.
The cemetery is huge, one of the largest in the UK. Section maps are available should you wish to visit, but given that they are buried in separate graves, i think it unlikely that there would be any headstones.
Deirdre
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Deirdre
thank you very much for that information, I have been to cathays before and yes its huge but like you I doubt there is a headstone.
If lily was 11 months then that does fit in with her being the twin.
I have been looking for the burial record can I ask where you found it please?
jo
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I emailed the burial records office at Thornhill (they are very helpful). 😀
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So for Earle MMN Pople prior to 1911
1901 Florence May
1903 Bertha Louise
1905 William John
1906 Francis George
1909 William John
1910 George Edward
If 1911 census says 8 children born (5 living) then we are missing 2 - which could be the twins
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thank you Deirdre for emailing them
yes the twins birth reg missing but I thought birth registrations were a legal requirement then,
don't you just love this hobby!
thank you
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It is unusual at that time for births not to have been registered, and they appear to have registered the others. Wonder if mum could have gone away to give birth, or was ill herself afterwards and with twins, one of whom may have been ill, and other young children, could have slipped her mind. Maybe her husband was away. Or maybe they are registered but with a badly transcribed name we haven’t found....... 🤔
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I've got one myself with no birth registration but that was earlier in 1864. It does happen frustrating as it is for anyone trying to find them.
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Became compulsory in 1874, within 6 weeks of birth, and a fine imposed for non-compliance.
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Oh dear double fine for twins then!
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Just spotted in the original post that Amy married Arthur Reynolds in 1936. In case they are related, nephew maybe, a Graham William Peter Reynolds, died aged 4 years. He was buried on 13 Oct 1937 in the same grave as Amy’s dad William.
Edited to add..... just checked for Graham’s birth. Looks like the burial is wrong as it says aged 4 years, but his birth was registered in Cardiff in Sept quarter 1937, mother Earle, and the death eas registered in Dec quarter 1937, so guess the burial should say 4 weeks or months, not years. I’ll email them to let them know. So i guess he was Amy and Arthur’s first child.
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Just spotted in the original post that Amy married Arthur Reynolds in 1936. In case they are related, nephew maybe, a Graham William Peter Reynolds, died aged 4 years. He was buried on 13 Oct 1937 in the same grave as Amy’s dad William.
Edited to add..... just checked for Graham’s birth. Looks like the burial is wrong as it says aged 4 years, but his birth was registered in Cardiff in Sept quarter 1937, mother Earle, and the death eas registered in Dec quarter 1937, so guess the burial should say 4 weeks or months, not years. I’ll email them to let them know. So i guess he was Amy and Arthur’s first child.
Perhaps 4 weeks or months rather than years? Looks likely to be Amy’s son:
Birth reg Sep qtr 1937 Cardiff: Graham W P Reynolds, mmn Earle.
Sorry - hadn’t see the edit :)
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My edit says that ;D