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Title: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: Cotton Reel on Thursday 24 May 18 21:31 BST (UK)
Hello

 I'm researching my husband's side of the family at the moment and have this 20
year gap in the censuses.

 William Davies and Letitia Morgan Married 15th July 1882 in the parish church at Llangynwyd Glamorganshire. They were both on the 1881 census in the area. For
some reason Letitia's surname is down as Jones - same as the couple she is
working for. Incidentally David Jones is a witness at the marriage.

 They are on the 1901 and 1911 censuses living on Gwendolen/Gwendoline Terrace,
Maesteg. The same Terrace as William was living with his parents before
marriage.
 
 In the 1911 census (named as David) it states that out of 13 children born
alive only 6 are still living.

 With this huge gap of nearly twenty years, and the fact that mothers' maiden
names aren't given until after the last son was born - is it possible to find

 I've tried every way I can think of to find them in the census and drawn a complete
blank. I'm thinking they must have been missed some way or other.
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: crisane on Thursday 24 May 18 21:41 BST (UK)
The GRO index now gives the mother's maiden name from 1837 to 1917
You have to sign up but it is free to use.
https://www.gro.gov.uk
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 24 May 18 21:47 BST (UK)
From the 1901 children were any born close to 1891?

We could look for his or her birth and see where they were living. 
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: Cotton Reel on Thursday 24 May 18 21:53 BST (UK)
Thank-you crisane, I will have to look into signing up at the GRO. It will no doubt come in very handy
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 24 May 18 21:57 BST (UK)
Hi all, to help out, 1901 census Gwendolen Terrace:-

William 40
Letitia 38
Mary 18
Elizabeth A 9
Gwenllian 6
Jane 4
Emily M 2
Census ref RG13/5041/125/42
Keyboard86
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: Cotton Reel on Thursday 24 May 18 22:02 BST (UK)
Hello Milliepede, the first daughter Mary was born in 1883 Maesteg, the next daughter on the 1891 census was born 1892 in Aberavon I think.
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 24 May 18 22:03 BST (UK)
Gwenllian Davies’ birth is indexed with mother’s maiden name MORGANS, Sep qtr 1894 Bridgend.
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 24 May 18 22:04 BST (UK)
No luck with 1891 :( and will be difficult to find all the correct births with such common surnames  :-\
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 24 May 18 22:04 BST (UK)
Gwenllian Davies’ birth is indexed with mother’s maiden name MORGANS, Sep qtr 1894 Bridgend.

Also for Mary Davies, the mother’s maiden name is MORGANS, Jun qtr 1883 Bridgend.
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 24 May 18 22:11 BST (UK)
For info - tragic death of daughter Jane

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3418175/3418180/117/
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: Cotton Reel on Thursday 24 May 18 22:13 BST (UK)
Hello to you all, I can't keep up with you.  ;) You have the right family, it would seem that they had returned to Maesteg if Gwen was registered in Bridgend.
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 24 May 18 22:18 BST (UK)
Hi who where the parents of Letitcia Morgan as on 1891 census is a married LETTIE Davies 28 with a David & Jemima Morgan
Census ref RG12/4482/121/42
Keyboard86
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 24 May 18 22:24 BST (UK)
No not her at marriage as a Minor her father was James.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 25 May 18 20:58 BST (UK)
Think this is her in 1871 - mother living with father and brothers in law in Briton Ferry

Ann Morgan    38 - widow b Dowlais
Elizabeth A Morgan    8
Letitia Morgan    6
Mary Morgan    2
Richard Morgan    55
David Morgan    23
Francis Morgan    18

RG10, 5427, 44, 4

Letitia Morgan
Baptism    23 Apr 1865 Briton Ferry
Father:    James Morgan
Mother:    Ann
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 25 May 18 21:46 BST (UK)
Think this is James in 1851 - there's a death in Neath district in 1869 that fits his age and the family info on 1871

Richard Morgan    34
Ann Morgan    31
James Morgan    8
David Morgan    2
Ann Morgan    5

HO107, 2463, 79, 10
Title: Re: William and Letitia are missing in 1891 Census
Post by: Cotton Reel on Monday 28 May 18 22:07 BST (UK)
Hello,
 
 Yes Letitia's parents were James and Ann, they lived in Briton Ferry. James had
died by the time the 1871 census  was taken; leaving Ann (who was actually 30ys) a widow and the three girls living with her in-laws. I haven't found what happened to Ann or the two sisters yet either. I think I'll have to leave them in 1871 for the
time being! 

 It also seems that it's almost impossible to find out what happened during William
and Letitia's 'missing years'. This is turning out to be a really difficult family! I was warned it wouldn't be easy and it's certainly proving to be the case!
 
 Thank-you all for having a look for them, also for the newspaper item Mabel. My
husband was rather shocked by it, he thought she had died of some childhood illness, and that would have been bad enough. The accident must have left the family totally devastated at the time.