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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Alma on Tuesday 29 May 18 09:34 BST (UK)
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I am posting this as would be interested to hear views from other family historians. The marriage took place at St Lukes Church of Ireland and some years back I downloaded the certificate I think from the Irish Family History Foundation website or similar. I suspect this certificate was the original. The groom William MCathie was shown as "widower", full age, cabinetmaker, son of George, a painter. To my surprise I now find a copy of the same record on irishgenealogy.ie website and there the groom is "bachelor" - everything else matches.
I suspect the groom may have been married 1stly on 5 Dec 1862 Dublin Castle, to Isabella Johnston, however I have not as yet gone for that certificate as my interest is in the 1872 marriage. I can find no record of a death of Isabella McCathie (first wife) 1869-1872 Dublin or elsewhere but not surprising as 4 children of the first marriage were registered under variations of the McCathie Surname. I do have details of births & baptisms but nothing thereafter. There were twins born in 1869 (McKetey) one of whom was "Isabella".
William and Margaret Critchley had 3 children from the 1872 marriage but I can find no record of birth of daughter Isabella thought to have been born abt 1873 in Dublin. The other two children were born in Scotland (William's birthplace) and in Queensland, Australia. William McCathie died in 1879 in Queensland. Leaving the possibility of a first marriage out of the equation how should I view the two 1872 marriage certificates as to Groom's marital status?!! I have put this in the "too hard basket" Many thanks Alma
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Why don't you post a Link to the record you are talking about?
Is it from Civil Reg or Church Register??
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CIVIL REGISTRATION - Irishgenelogy.ie website - its able to be viewed online
Marriage of WILLIAM MCCATHIE and MARGARET CRITCHLEY
on 04 April 1872
Group Registration ID 2776548
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South
I cannot link to the other certificate as I have it in hard copy
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Have you checked Church records on same site?
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Yes
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Link to record....
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11307/8148852.pdf
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Ah, thank you - You are obviously more clued up than I am! :) As I posted earlier the other certificate I have is identical in all respects apart from register Numbering and "widower" opposed to "bachelor"
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Doesn't surprise me!
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My understanding was that copies were made of the original marriage entries and then they were forwarded to Dublin from the various Parishes. The certificate I have here doesn't appear to have been amended in any way - the joys of Irish Research - not! Thanks for your input.
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I'd believe the original....
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Yes, I am kind of leaning that way for sure!
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Ah, thank you - You are obviously more clued up than I am! :) As I posted earlier the other certificate I have is identical in all respects apart from register Numbering and "widower" opposed to "bachelor"
When you search and then select an individual just Right Click the word Image... then copy and paste into post
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Well I have gained some info tonight - just wasn't sure how to copy the link in but now I've worked out how to do it...easy when you know how! As for the discrepancies in the certificates I am inclined to go with the Church record... Thanks again
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Church record
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-155-3-2-059
I was expecting it to be in St.Nicholas Without but it was in St.Luke
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m4y/
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Glasnevin shows the following burials 1870 note the spelling the i between a and t
Isabella McCaithie age 28
Isabella McCaithie age 1
William McCaithie age 6
https://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
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Just found another two with that spelling again 1870
Joseph McCaithie age 3
Christopher McCaithie age 1
either the name is just coincidentally similar or something disastrous happened in 1870 ?
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Christopher and Isabella were born in King St 1869
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03410/2250775.pdf
so i entered that address King St into address box on Glasnevin Trust
and got
Isabella age 28
William age 6
Joseph age 3 all 1870
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Church record
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-155-3-2-059
I was expecting it to be in St.Nicholas Without but it was in St.Luke
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m4y/
Wonder where that Cert came from!
The marriage took place at St Lukes Church of Ireland and some years back I downloaded the certificate I think from the Irish Family History Foundation website or similar.
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Hello Dathai & Hallmark! Wow...that is such a help. I had located baptisms of children in St Michael's and St John's RC Church - William 1865, Theophilus Joseph 1867, and twins Isabella and Thomas John (Keating) in 1869. I am sure Thomas was registered as Christopher White McKetey. Those burials in Glasnevin solve the puzzle of what became of the 3 children and mother Isabella. Perhaps when William McCathie married again in 1872 his surviving daughter Isabella from the first marriage became the step-daughter of his second wife Margaret. That is looking more likely given the burials in Glasnevin. I love rootschat - I have received so much assistance over the years - well done folks! Alma ;)
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Oh dear - a bit early in the day for me.. I note the death of Isabella aged 1 also in Glasnevin so it must be that Isabella daughter of William & Margaret from 1872 marriage was NOT Margaret's step-daughter - am happy at that outcome as it saves a re-working of family history...whew...
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Interesting that there are no death certificates - you possibly have all below at this point but in case
From Glasnevin records as stated
Isabella McCAITHIE died Feb 21 1870 aged 28 last address 19 South King Street #U92578
Joseph McCAITHIE died Feb 23 1870 aged 3y 6m last address 19 South King Street #92606
Christopher McCAITHIE died Feb 25 1870 aged 1y 6m last address 59 Jervis Street #92633
Isabella McCAITHIE died Feb 25 1870 aged 1y 6m last address 11 Abbey Street #92642
William McCAITHIE died Feb 27 1870 aged 6y last address 19 South King Street #92678
All buried in south section # MB 48
There are subsequent burials in the grave
They must have have contracted a severely contagious disease or met with an accident
The latter would required a coroner's report and death certs so I would err with the former