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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Herefordshire => Topic started by: Jedi James on Tuesday 29 May 18 15:49 BST (UK)
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Hi To all.
I have been pulling my Hair out for the past 2 years trying to find the father of William Hill.
William Hill was Baptised in Creden Hill in 1809, His mother is Hannah Hill, Yet No Father Mentioned, I have used Family Search .Org and taken it back a few years and possibly found Other children Baptised in Creden Hill to a mother Hannah Hill.I have also tried to locate her Birth With Out Success.
Please help.
Regards
Jedi James
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Possible baptism for Hannah at Credenhill
30 Jun 1771
Father ----
Mother Mary Hill
Maybe her marriage at Credenhill :-\
25 Apr 1814
Spouse William Smyth
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Hi Rosie99.
That Was quick.
How can I certify that this is the correct Hannah.
Thanks again, Keep up the good work.
Regards
Jedi James
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You really need to see the original baptism records of William and other children in case it mentions that Hannah was a single woman.
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Other children to just 'HAnnah Hill' all baptised at Credenhill.
Sarah 1797; Elizabeth 1799: Timothy 1801; James 1804.
As rosie says, it would really pay you to look at the original parish register. There may be something there that would give further clues. The film on familysearch is number 1040009, but is it not yet viewable online, even at a fm library - they promise to have all films digitised by 2020, so we shall see!
After the marriage of Hannah Hill to William Smyth 25.4. 1814 at Credenhill, there is a Hannah Smith in the 1851 census at Credenhill, other person in the residence, Thomas Hill. He was born 1841. In 1841, a Thomas Hill was baptised at Bridstow to James Hill and Emily. I suspect this James is Hannah's son born 1804, and the Thomas is her grandson. Again, you would need to check the original census entry.
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Hi Goldie61.
Thanks for that info, will have to wait until I arrange to go to Hereford and have a look at the originals.
I live in Oxford,UK
Thanks again.
Regards
Jedi James
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It would be well worth it I think Jedi JAmes.
I live in the other side if the world so sorry I can't go to Hereford! ;)
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So I checked the 1851 Census.
Hannah Smith is living in the household of Timothy Hill, wife and children. She is his mother, a widow, aged 80 , born Credenhill.
Timothy is 41, born Credenhill, an ag lab. It is his son Thomas, aged 10.
Timothy Hill married in 1846, but only on the indexes. HIs marriage certificate SHOULD give a father's name if you're lucky, but again may be left blank.
Have you got a marriage certificate for your William? What does it say for father?
So this looks like the correct Hannah born 1771 at Credenhill. Mother Mary. Again no father. Oh dear!
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Hi Goldie61.
I have a copy of the wedding Cert Of William Hill to Mary Powell.
The Name of Williams father is Henry Hill.
My Problem is Was Henry Hill the father of all Hannah's Children.
That is what I am trying to find out.
Keep up the good work.
Regards
Jedi James
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I have a copy of the wedding Cert Of William Hill to Mary Powell.
The Name of Williams father is Henry Hill.
My Problem is Was Henry Hill the father of all Hannah's Children.
I would be inclined to think Henry Hill is a myth.
When children are baptised, the local clergyman often knows if the mother is not married (hence the lack of father's name on baptisms). By the time the child has grown up and gets married memories have faded and it is easier to invent a father to avoid embarrassment!
I, like many people, am descended from several b*st*rds!
Philip
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Hi Goldie61.
I have a copy of the wedding Cert Of William Hill to Mary Powell.
The Name of Williams father is Henry Hill.
My Problem is Was Henry Hill the father of all Hannah's Children.
That is what I am trying to find out.
Keep up the good work.
Regards
Jedi James
I doubt it. ::)
If you look at baptisms for possible siblings of Hannah with just mother Mary they are Ruth Cox Hill (1767) and Timothy Hill (1775). There is possible baptism for that Mary at Credenhill in 1740 parents HENRY & Elizabeth.
Hannahs marriage to William Smyth may indicate that she was whether widowed but I would be surprised if she was