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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: margill68 on Wednesday 30 May 18 03:37 BST (UK)
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From Ancestry Sydney Australia Anglican Parish Registers 1814-2011
James Ryan and Florence Julia Woodford 12 Jan 1926. From attachment that marriage didn't take place.
NSW Marriage 246/1926 James Ryan-Florence J Woodford reg'd Sydney
Did they marry later in 1926 or is the registry a copy of the parish record?
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If you drill down on the NSW BDM's online index, the date for the event on ref 246 of 1926 (Ryan=Woodford marriage) is 12 January 1926.
I suggest you send them a general enquiry asking them to confirm that the registration is for a marriage that 'did take place' as you have sighted an image of the parish register (I suggest you transcribe the relevant entry, and nominate the actual register in full, including the line number in the register) that records that it did not take place.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/contact-us/contact-us.aspx#email
Family History enquiries
Ask our staff if you are having difficulties with your Registry family history searches (current response time is within 10 working days):
• bdm-familyhistory@justice.nsw.gov.au
JM
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attaching a snip
In the email, (to nsw bdm) I suggest you include the info on the following snip of the left hand margin, including the line no. in the parish register ..... (Edited at 1350 hours NSW time 30 May 2018.. I have removed several words, as there's possible confusion with info already presented)
ADD, line no. in parish register can be helpful at NSW BDM, but it depends on IF the staff member handling the enquiry knows how to trace back through the 1920s NSW BDM paperwork trail. Please let me know if the email reply from NSWbdm doesn't provide adequate answer. Some of my living ancestors are retired NSW BDM officers. 8) And I also have retired CofE clergy...
JM
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Thank You I will get in touch with the registry
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To give you (and any others who may read this at some future moment) confidence in my comments, if you look at the full page image, there's a marriage for a lass, surnamed FRENCH, noted as 10805 under Column 1. In the margin is 78/26. That's the parish clerk's shorthand confirming that NSW BDM Reg General has that particular registration, and if you now check the online index, that French marriage is reference 78/1926. Similar patterns through that parish register, and most other parish registers too. :)
:)
JM
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You will also find the entry immediately AFTER the Ryan=Woodford one, (so next page) is 10806 under Column 1. Remembering that 10806 is struck through on the Ryan=Woodford entry.
JM
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I have not received a reply from NSW registry yet re this marriage but have found from the 1930 electoral roll
RYAN Florence Julia cnr Herring and Abukla Roads Home Duties
RYAN James cnr Herring and Abukla Roads Labourer
Could they be the same James and Florence of the Church Marriage 12 Jan 1926?
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I have not received a reply from NSW registry yet re this marriage but have found from the 1930 electoral roll
RYAN Florence Julia cnr Herring and Abukla Roads Home Duties
RYAN James cnr Herring and Abukla Roads Labourer
Could they be the same James and Florence of the Church Marriage 12 Jan 1926?
I think the suburb needs to be noted. It is EASTWOOD. The NSW Electorate is RYDE. NSW Electoral Rolls do NOT include marital status.
Re NSW BDM not yet getting back to you (10 business days from end of May) that's terrible. Perhaps you could send a gentle reminder to them :)
JM
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May I ask about the 1988* NSW death registration ... what info is given there re the marriage of Florence Julia RYAN ... the online index has her parents as Leonard and Jessie. #12963
Add, *10 May 1988.
JM
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I now have a very general reply for the NSW Registry. Have you seen the online marriage etc. I am now asking them should 246/26 be on the register if church record suggests the marriage did not take place. I am now back in the queue.
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Yes, perhaps ten more business days ... fingers crossed someone there will actually think it through and investigate ... and 'escalate' their informed response :)
Fingers crossed
JM
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I hope they do look at it. It is very disappointing.
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If they respond with positive confirmation of the marriage, I will be interested in learning of their reference number ;D and I have put some pennies aside to order an official transcription for the 'new' reference number. Of course, it is possible that the clergy's made a mistake in his register. Perhaps the digitised entry is from the back up register. C of E clergy are meant to use two registers concurrently, and store them safely but separately from each other. I am fascinated with the alteration to the register's entry numbers, so too are my retired C of E clergy AND my retired Old Boys from NSW BDM ... :) All are familiar with handwritten registers and the inadvertent slips of pens ... this one is very intriguing, rare and much speculations are 'raging' in my older relatives.
ADD ... I share : I married in C of E ceremony in NSW in 1970s. FOUR times I signed during the ceremony. Once in the civil register, (paperwork for NSW BDM), Twice in C of E registers (as per above) and Once on THE certificate, which was handed to me during ceremony. (It is the Bride's proof, but no longer accepted as proof of marriage for NSW legal stuffs)
JM
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Yes it is different to other marriages I have both Anglican and Catholic. Why write Didn't show up if the marriage when ahead?
I will wait and see what the Registry has to say if anything
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Hi there,
Did the NSW BDM ever respond?
JM
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I ended up getting 246/1926 and James Ryan and Florence Julia Woodford married 12 Jan 1926 at Chalmer Street Presbyterian. I guess that is why it was on the other one with no signatures.
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Agh, yes, that would definitely explain it.
JM
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Rookwood Catholic Cemetery
James Ryan 2 Sept 1968
Sec-M2-17-3897
Inscription
1729 Private
James Ryan
53 Battalion
30 Aug 1968
Beloved husband of Florence Father of Marjorie and James
Florence Julia Ryan 2 Sept 1988
Sec-M2--17-3897
On James Ryan's enlistment in 1916 question11 has 5 years on Sobraon. Was this a training School?