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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: bugbear on Thursday 31 May 18 14:47 BST (UK)
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I have long made use of the PR held on familysearch.
But recently, I went to pick up a baptism for Diss, and there are NO baptisms listed. Only Banns, Burials and Marriages.
Is this a bug, or has something changed in their deal with the NRO?
BugBear
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Don't know what time frame you are looking at but there are these
https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/004033520?i=2&cat=472308
https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/004033520?cat=472308
Taken from this link
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/472308?availability=Family%20History%20Library
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Don't know what time frame you are looking at but there are these
https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/004033520?i=2&cat=472308
https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/004033520?cat=472308
Taken from this link
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/472308?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Again, those appear to be marriages. It's the Baptism (and mixed) PRs that seem to have gone missing, at least for Diss.
They're still present for some other Parishes.
BugBear
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The last link I gave seems to indicate that baptisms/burials are only available at a FHC
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It's the Baptism (and mixed) PRs that seem to have gone missing, at least for Diss.
Not missing. There's no camera icon for two films, thus no digital images available. Yet. They do have DGS numbers though!
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Not missing. There's no camera icon for two films, thus no digital images available. Yet. They do have DGS numbers though!
Unfortunately DGS numbers but no images is quite common at the moment. Some DGS numbers suggest they have been digitised for some time but hopefully it'll get resolved at some point.
Diss baptisms can be viewed on FindMyPast. I suspect possibly they are the images from Familysearch. They may also be viewable on Ancestry but haven't checked.
If you can't find something on Familysearch like that, its worth checking the parish in the catalogue itself as that will show what is available, whether restricted or, as in this case, they have DGS numbers but the images aren't yet available.
Groom's last link, they are viewable on the web but if you aren't signed in with a free account, they tend to show as if they are restricted.
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I think people are missing what I'm saying. The Diss baptism images USED to be on the site (I used them quite a lot) and now they're not.
They were accessible via this entry point;
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1416598/waypoints
And Taverham (for example) still has "the full set" available (attached)
BugBear
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Here's a citation from one of my databases;
"England, Norfolk, Parish Registers (County Record Office), 1510-1997," database with images, FamilySearch , Diss > Baptisms, Marriages, Burials > 1729-1778 > image 36 of 80; Record Office, Norwich
This image is no longer accessible (good job I downloaded it...)
BugBear
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I have emailed the NRO to see if they can shed light on this.
BugBear
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Probably sold to Ancestry of FindMyPast, they both seem to have Norfolk parish records. I was looking at them today.
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On checking again, it is only one Diss film that has no digital images on FamilySearch (mf 1596390)
We can substitute the DGL number for that missing Diss film into the URL thing
Which leads to
https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/004008142?cat=472308
I wonder if we did that in a FHC, would it would bring up any images? I wouldn't have thought so, but how did they call up newburychap's unindexed film on to the screen?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748263.msg6509404#msg6509404
The thing about that Diss film is that it is indexed - there is a magnifying glass icon, click on that and you get the index
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1596390
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On checking again, it is only one Diss film that has no digital images on FamilySearch (mf 1596390)
We can substitute the DGL number for that missing Diss film into the URL thing
Which leads to
https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/004008142?cat=472308
Its unlikely to work at an FHC, I've had issues with the odd whole film having every image missing and some having the odd image missing and they had the camera icon against the film number. Where there is no camera icon of any sort in the catalogue, they simply haven't been correctly uploaded as I understand it. They did fix some a while back, although they appeared to be mainly films of probate records and not the parish registers that have issues.
Probably sold to Ancestry of FindMyPast, they both seem to have Norfolk parish records. I was looking at them today.
Familysearch won't have sold them, they have agreements with both Ancestry and FindMyPast for use of some of their images/indexes and in return church members get access to them at home (Ancestry definitely) or at the FHCs (along with non-members who view at the FHCs). It will mean though that the Archives have agreed for this to happen.
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I think people are missing what I'm saying. The Diss baptism images USED to be on the site (I used them quite a lot) and now they're not.
They were accessible via this entry point;
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1416598/waypoints
I don't think anyone is missing the point. A DGS number confirms they have been digitised but a number of parishes do not have the registers accessible whether at an FHC or via the web.
Yes they are accessible through that other link, but they are also accessible via the catalogue which in many ways is a better place to look because you see exactly what the access status for each film is which the collection pages don't show, only those available.
I take your point that they were available previously, its possible and upload to the site had caused this to disappear or its possible that NRO have revoked access but I suspect this is unlikely as other registers are available. Its probably an error with the Familysearch website. As I've already said, there are issues with this and it may just be unfortunate that the reverse has happened with the Diss register and the access link has disappeared.
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Dear XXXXXXX,
Thank you for your e-mail of the 31 May regarding the above subject.
The Norfolk Record Office has indeed signed licencing agreements with both Ancestry and Find My Past to make parish register images available, however I am not aware that this would necessitate the taking down of any material from familysearch.org. You may wish to contact them directly for a fuller answer.
Kind regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXX | Searchroom/Research Assistant
Norfolk Record Office, The Archive Centre, Martineau Lane, Norwich, Norfolk, NR1 2DQ