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Title: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: Lensmeister on Thursday 31 May 18 22:02 BST (UK)
Evening all,

My quest begins with John Butler who began playing for Whitby United (now Whitby Town).

John started playing 1926. I'm looking for his date of birth.

I have found his year of marriage:
John married Susannah Smith in Whitby in Dec quarter 1928. (9d 1012).
Maybe if anyone can confirm his age at marriage it may help ID his birth.

Also if anyone can confirm John date of birth and mother maiden name it may help with the other family members.

John and Susannah had a son, another John E Butler in Whitby Jun quarter 1929 (9d 734), anyone have the date of birth as John E also played for the club after WWII.

John Senior also went on to manage the club.


Now the rest of the family

George Butler began playing in 1938 which points to him being John (snr) brother.

H Butler began playing 1934 which points to him being John (snr) brother.

RW Butler began playing in 1946 which points to being John (Snr) and Susannah Smith's  son.

If anyone can confirm the dates of birth of these gents I'd be very grateful.

Thanks in advance,

Neil.
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: groom on Thursday 31 May 18 22:14 BST (UK)
I presume all these have now died?


When you say began playing, do you mean for Whitby United, if so roughly how old would they be - 18? Just trying to get an idea of when to start looking for births.
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: Lensmeister on Thursday 31 May 18 22:23 BST (UK)
Various bits of research haven't turned up any of them living. Ads in local papers etc.

I estimate that John (snr) was born about 1906 as he was married in 1928
In the 1920s players tended to be over 18.

John (Jnr) born in 1929 as the marriage fits.

Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 31 May 18 22:33 BST (UK)
Did John snr die 1994 Cleveland?
A Susannah Smith was registered March qtr 1909 Whitby,  think she was born 31st December 1908 though.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: Lensmeister on Thursday 31 May 18 22:36 BST (UK)
Did John snr die 1994 Cleveland?
A Susannah Smith was born March qtr 1909 Whitby,  think she was born 31st December 1908 though.
Keyboard86

Thanks Keyboard86.

1994 sounds likely
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 31 May 18 22:42 BST (UK)
 :) Then he was born 7th April 1905.

Keyboard86

PS Susannah Butler born 31st December 1908 died Dec qtr 1993 East Cleveland
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: Lensmeister on Thursday 31 May 18 22:45 BST (UK)
:) Then he was born 7th April 1905.

Keyboard86

Thanks Is that Middlesbrough or Stockton ?
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 31 May 18 22:49 BST (UK)
:) Then he was born 7th April 1905.

Keyboard86

Thanks Is that Middlesbrough or Stockton ?

That I do not know?
See amendment above.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: Lensmeister on Thursday 31 May 18 22:54 BST (UK)
Saw that about Susannah thanks.

She's the mother of John (Jnr).


I did a 1911 search:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7PT-S1X?print=true

There a Butler family in Middlesbrough that also lists:
Harry Butler   Son   Male   2   Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
John Butler   Son   Male   5   Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire

Does look likely this is my WTFC Player and his brother. :)

Just George missing now.


Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: groom on Thursday 31 May 18 23:08 BST (UK)
From GRO

BUTLER, HARRY    mmn   WALTON     
1909  J Quarter
MIDDLESBROUGH 
Volume 09D  Page 545


BUTLER, JOHN    mmn   WALTON     
1905  J Quarter
GLANFORD BRIGG 
Volume 07A  Page 703
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: groom on Thursday 31 May 18 23:12 BST (UK)
Possible for George

BUTLER, GEORGE  ALBERT  mmn   WALTON     
1917  J Quarter
MIDDLESBROUGH 
Volume 09D  Page 926   
 
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: Lensmeister on Thursday 31 May 18 23:16 BST (UK)
They do tie in nicely with the census and locations.

Thanks groom.


Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: groom on Thursday 31 May 18 23:20 BST (UK)
Possible death and DOB for Harry - would fit with a birth registered June quarter

HARRY  BUTLER
Birth    16 March 1909
Death    1st quarter  1977
Death year   1977
District   Cleveland
County   Yorkshire
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: groom on Thursday 31 May 18 23:24 BST (UK)
And finally

George Albert Butler
Birth    26th April 1917
Death    3rd quarter 2002
District   Middlesbrough
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: Lensmeister on Friday 01 June 18 06:07 BST (UK)
Thanks groom,

Sorry for the delay in replying but I fell asleep on the sofa !!!

I'll add these to my database.
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: Lensmeister on Thursday 22 November 18 14:45 GMT (UK)
Good afternoon one and all.

RW Butler began playing in 1946 which points to being John Butler (Snr) and Susannah Smith's  son.

Final Butler to be found.

I have had a search through free BMD for a R*W Butler to no avail. The GRO search doesn't work beyond 1917.

Any ideas please?

Thanks in advance,

Neil.

Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: groom on Thursday 22 November 18 20:51 GMT (UK)
Quote
I have had a search through free BMD for a R*W Butler to no avail. The GRO search doesn't work beyond 1917.

Try Freebmd

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Title: Re: The Butler Footballing Family
Post by: Lensmeister on Friday 23 November 18 06:17 GMT (UK)
I have already looked on there.

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I have had a search through free BMD for a R*W Butler to no avail. The GRO search doesn't work beyond 1917.

Try Freebmd

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/