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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: lonestardiver on Saturday 02 June 18 05:57 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find a death certificate or any record related to:
Albert William Ilbery
DOB: ABT 1846 +/- 1 year
DOD: 1890's Maybe between 1890-1896
Location of Death: I think its either Missouri or Illinois based on the records I have.
- He claimed in 1880 US Census records that he was of Swiss origin and came to the USA with his parents in 1866 and settled in the St. Louis area until is death. He was a photographer as a trade and had his own Shop in St. Louis and also Breese Illinois during his life.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Added an undated picture of him we had in our family if you were curious on what he may have looked like.
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Was he a single man? If not his wifes death may provide further clues.
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Was he a single man? If not his wifes death may provide further clues.
He got married to Emma Ilbery in 1876 in St. Louis, MO. So far no information I have with Emma has led me to any additional information on Albert.
The only lead I have is that he had a son that was born in 1887 in Breese, Illinois which leads me to believe he was probably living there at the time of his death.
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Do you have a place of burial for Emma? It could be worth seeing if he's buried with her.
Unfortunately, Illinois and Missouri didn't require statewide death registration until the early 1900's, so it can be a bit hit or miss before then.
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Do you have a place of burial for Emma? It could be worth seeing if he's buried with her.
Unfortunately, Illinois and Missouri didn't require statewide death registration until the early 1900's, so it can be a bit hit or miss before then.
Yes, Emma is buried here in Houston: https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Ilbery&GSfn=Emma&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=35635894&df=all&
Emma died 30 years or so after Albert died and he is not buried next to her. Its too bad about the death registration. I think my only hope right now is to research local news papers for obits...
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I've checked out the St. Louis City directories:
1891 (year ending 1 Apr 1892):
Albert Ilbry, photographer, 1426 Franklin av.
he doesn't appear in the 1892-1897 directories when Emma reappears:
1897 (year ending 1 Apr 1898)
Emma Ilbery, wid Albert, r 1623 S 9th
She is not in the 1898 directory
She shows up again in the 1901 (ending 1 Apr 1902) directory:
Emma Ilbery, wid Albert, r 1426 Dolman
1902 directory:
Alfred and Emma, 1623 S 9th
This sort of leads to your assumtion he may have died in Illinois, since Emma doesn't reappear in Missouri until the 1897 directory. Either that, or he died prior to 2 Apr 1892 and Emma moved to Illinois.
His father and mother were still in Missouri, and by this time, William was residing in Memorial Home. In the 1899 directory, both Susan and William are residing in Memorial Home.
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http://clintonilgenweb.net/history/1894review/trenton.html
close to the bottom of the page
Information on Emma Ilbery succeeding her husband in the photography business in Trenton, IL
written in 1894, so death possibly between 1890 to 1892
Someone else possibly searching this family:
http://clintonilgenweb.net/queries/query010.htm
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https://sites.google.com/site/stlouisartistsfiles/home
listed here with perhaps some news clipping etc in the St. Louis Library -- email address to request information
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I've checked out the St. Louis City directories:
1891 (year ending 1 Apr 1892):
Albert Ilbry, photographer, 1426 Franklin av.
he doesn't appear in the 1892-1897 directories when Emma reappears:
1897 (year ending 1 Apr 1898)
Emma Ilbery, wid Albert, r 1623 S 9th
She is not in the 1898 directory
She shows up again in the 1901 (ending 1 Apr 1902) directory:
Emma Ilbery, wid Albert, r 1426 Dolman
1902 directory:
Alfred and Emma, 1623 S 9th
This sort of leads to your assumtion he may have died in Illinois, since Emma doesn't reappear in Missouri until the 1897 directory. Either that, or he died prior to 2 Apr 1892 and Emma moved to Illinois.
His father and mother were still in Missouri, and by this time, William was residing in Memorial Home. In the 1899 directory, both Susan and William are residing in Memorial Home.
I agree, This had led me to the same conclusion. Albert possibly dying in the early 1890's (Maybe 91-93) and that he may have passed away in Illinois makes me think he may have a head a death notice issued in a local paper in Southern Illinois.
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https://sites.google.com/site/stlouisartistsfiles/home
listed here with perhaps some news clipping etc in the St. Louis Library -- email address to request information
Thank you Genealiza!.. I have not come across this information before. I will following up.
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You might try an email to St. Matthew cemetery. His parents are there, yet only Susan shows up on their database. Maybe Albert is there also.
http://www.stmatthewcemetery.org/
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You might try an email to St. Matthew cemetery. His parents are there, yet only Susan shows up on their database. Maybe Albert is there also.
http://www.stmatthewcemetery.org/
I sent an email to the cemetery but they didn't have any record of Albert but again, they didn't have any record of William either. So I think its a possibility that he may be out there... I have actually had someone go out to verify in the cemetery if Albert was there near Susan but he was not. That was actually how we found William. With a 40k grave amount I think it would be very difficult to hunt him down. I am hoping I can find an obit somewhere. There seems to be no death certificates or indexes for him in either Missouri or Illinois for that time.
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Daughter Lucy possibly also marries in Trenton, 1897:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V2PF-XWC
https://archive.org/stream/historicaldescri00illi/historicaldescri00illi_djvu.txt
- this book from 1894 mentions Emma and her daughter Lucy, her husband having died "about two years ago", a year after opening photographic studios in two locations in Illinois.
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Daughter Lucy possibly also marries in Trenton, 1897:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V2PF-XWC
https://archive.org/stream/historicaldescri00illi/historicaldescri00illi_djvu.txt
- this book from 1894 mentions Emma and her daughter Lucy, her husband having died "about two years ago", a year after opening photographic studios in two locations in Illinois.
Yes, I have this information and a .pdf copy of the book. To me it would sound like Albert would have been a relatively "Known" person in the community with a publication talking about his wife taking over the business. There must be some mention in a newspaper somewhere of his passing. Unfortunately, Newspapers.com and Newspaperarchive.com did not have the local papers for Breese, Illinois. I haven't reached out to there public library in Breese but I probably need to contact them to see if by chance they have any papers in their reference section that would have been around that time.
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That same article says the St. Louis location was closed following Albert's death. Is it logical to surmise that he was in charge of that studio and was living there when he died?
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That same article says the St. Louis location was closed following Albert's death. Is it logical to surmise that he was in charge of that studio and was living there when he died?
Agreed. Or maybe he lived and Breese, Illinois and commuted back and forth weekly?.. I see that the distance is pretty far for the 1890's for a day trip. I got a distances of 48 Miles one way. Since it doesn't appear that the state governments don't have documentation about his death I think there must be something documented by a Newspaper or at least a church. Strangely , there was no info in the St. Louis Paper which I would thought it would have reported death if they knew about it.
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I actually wonder if he just up and left. On reading the bit in the "Enterprising towns of Illinois" it seems to suggest that the wife was the driving "Artist" behind the business, and I just wonder if his "artistic" (as per the 1880 census) temperament could no longer deal with it, considering his daughter was an up and coming star in the field alongside with his wife.
Malky
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What information were you hoping that the death certificate would provide?
This looks like it might be the person you were looking for, although it's a shame that it doesn't mention what town he was born in (in Switzerland) and it doesn't show the name of the informant (person who reported the death, which is sometimes a spouse). Also odd that apparently the newspaper doesn't have this obit, but I guess that this sometimes happens.
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1172/vrmmo1833_c10494-0963?pid=12634462&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti%3D0%26indiv%3Dtry%26db%3Dmodeaths%26h%3D12634462&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true
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I came across that one a few days ago. Wrong birth year and country, wrong mothers country, wrong occupation.
Malky
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What information were you hoping that the death certificate would provide?
This looks like it might be the person you were looking for, although it's a shame that it doesn't mention what town he was born in (in Switzerland) and it doesn't show the name of the informant (person who reported the death, which is sometimes a spouse). Also odd that apparently the newspaper doesn't have this obit, but I guess that this sometimes happens.
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1172/vrmmo1833_c10494-0963?pid=12634462&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti%3D0%26indiv%3Dtry%26db%3Dmodeaths%26h%3D12634462&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true
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What my expectation on the death certificate was to get the date of death, location possibly information that would tie back into other family members like perhaps a family member signing the death certificate to verify his identity. I am very familiar with this death certificate which I have put in my Ancestry.com Shoe box. Based upon whats documented, this would not be Albert Ilbery, with that said... I think there must be some type of relationship between William Ilbery and Albert Ilbery but have not truly invested time to investigate this route. Perhaps going through William I might find something about Albert.
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https://sites.google.com/site/stlouisartistsfiles/home
listed here with perhaps some news clipping etc in the St. Louis Library -- email address to request information
Thank you Genealiza!.. I have not come across this information before. I will following up.
Genealiza,
Sent my request in for assistance on Albert Ilbery based on the information you provided. Unfortunately they were not able to give much information with exception of what the city directories provided... Simply that he was a photographer. They also looked in St. Louis news papers of the time and there were no advertisements listed. I get the feeling Albert didn't have the money or maybe the business sense to to advertise his services. Ugh!...
Just wanted to let you know how it turned out... Thanks for your assistance.
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Thanks for the update and I'm sorry that lead didn't pan out. Will keep my eyes open for any Ilbery's I might run across.
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http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases/death.html#copies
Have you tried requesting a death search from the above? It looks like they've completed the entry for Clinton Co. deaths 1877 - 1915.
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http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases/death.html#copies
Have you tried requesting a death search from the above? It looks like they've completed the entry for Clinton Co. deaths 1877 - 1915.
I apologize for my late reply, I guess I missed my email notification. I have made two attempts by writing. The 2nd I sent by certified mail last year but no response. Its been a little frustrating.
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Have you tried the Ask a Librarian at Morris Library, the Archive Depository?
http://libguides.lib.siu.edu/askalibrarian
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Have you tried the Ask a Librarian at Morris Library, the Archive Depository?
http://libguides.lib.siu.edu/askalibrarian
No I haven’t, but I will give it a shot. Thank you! I will report back on what I find.
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Have you tried the Ask a Librarian at Morris Library, the Archive Depository?
http://libguides.lib.siu.edu/askalibrarian
No I haven’t, but I will give it a shot. Thank you! I will report back on what I find.
I contacted the Library and they referred me back to IRAD. Which where I started originally. I think Im going to try to find a local genealogist in Southern Illinois to see if they could assist with IRAD... Not sure what else to do short of going myself.