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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: Westy11 on Saturday 02 June 18 09:57 BST (UK)
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Edward Freeman GISSING migrated to Australia and died 1902.
I am looking for Edward's baptism. According to the 1851 and 1861 census Edward Freeman GISSING, son of Samuel & Sarah A GISSING [nee BISHOP] was born about 1850 in Eye, Suffolk.
Edward's birth was registered in Hartismere in the 1st q 1850.
As yet I don't know when Edward migrated but it may be after the 1861 census as to date I am unable to locate them in the 1871 census.
Located a marriage for Edward Freeman GISSING in 1869 Bury, Suffolk but to date cannot locate him in the 1871 census to determine who he married.
Westy
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Just wondering if you have his birth and parents names what it is you are looking to find in the baptism? :)
For info the brides in 1869 are
Emily Mary Cuyler
Rose Elliott
other groom
James Rayner
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Hello Millipede,
I am looking for his date of baptism. I only have a ball park date of the registration of his birth and feel its good to have his date of baptism.
Westy
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Don't know if this is on the right track but there is an Emily Cuyler born 1825 Hertfordshire in 1851.
In 1881 there is an Emily Mary Gissing born 1825 Hertfordshire and a death for Emily Gissing in 1890.
In 1881 she is on her own but down as married and an annuitant.
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For what it's worth there's a family tree with her being the wife of your chap but no further info than found above re 1881 and death.
Can't find her in 1871 either ::)
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There is a London Probate 1902 for EFG 1902, his address 259 Rathdown St, North Carlton, Victoria
Adm to Edward Francis Freeman Gissing, doorkeeper, effects 100 pounds.
Another record has him as his only Son.
So something strange is going on here;
GISSING, EDWARD FRANCIS FREEMAN , Mothers mn SHELTON ****
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE ON TYNE Volume 10B Page 73 Order
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Death in Victoria 1960 for Edward Francis Freeman-Gissing
Possible Birth for a ALICE AMELIA Gissing 12 April 1882
Christening 30 Apr 1882, St Stephens, Richmond, Victoria, Australia
Parents WILLIAM/ALICE
**EDIT; Victorian BMD has her Parents as Edward Sewell Gissing and Alec (Wright)
So dont think this one is yours)
All info from Familysearch.Org
Must say I am very confused by all of this ::)
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Edward Francis Freeman;
Mother's maiden name / Spouse's given name Agnes Sutherland Martha (Finlay)
Reg. year 1960 Reg. no 6813
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Aaah ;
Marriage;
GISSING Edw FREEMAN
Spouse Betsey SHELTON
Reg. year 1896 Reg. no 3349
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Death Reg;
BETSY FREEMAN Gissing 1899, 5689
Parents Frank SHELTON and Sarah (STARBUCK)
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Its him;
Death Reg;
FREEMAN Edw year 1902 Reg. no10678
Father's name / Freeman Saml
Mother's maiden name / unknown (Bishop)
So it looks like Edward was married and took up with Betsy, had Edward 1880 and off to Australia.
Betsy may have been married also.
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Hello Trish,
Thats just the beginning I am afraid. Betsy is said to have married 3 times. :o
To date cannot locate two of the said marriages. Most curious. ;D Nor the birth of her/their son.
The death you located is, I think although I am still piecing it together, possibly the grandson of the same named Edward whose birth was registered 1st q 1850.
Given the picture is possibly confusing I wanted to be sure of Edward's baptism date and parents hence the post.
Another piece of confusion is the probate death index record - is recorded for 1905 not 1902 so I am wondering if the 1905 is a typo or is there ANOTHER Edward Freeman GISSING?
Westy
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I gave you the birth reg of their Son 1880 Northumberland?
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Yes just found that one now which is great. I wonder who was the recognised father?
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Do you think its possible to find a baptism record???
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1880 birth is Gissing, Mother Shelton, so Edward is likely to be Father on that one.
1902 Death Reg confirms Parents as Samuel/ and Mother Bishop.
Probate of Edward Freeman Gissing 1902 has Edward Francis Freeman Gissing as his only child.
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I dont understand why the Baptism is so important ( I cant find one though)
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Birth Reg 1850 confirms his Mother as Bishop
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I have tried to find the birth for the Edward Francis F GISSING b 1880 that mentions mother of SHELTON without success. I have looked at FreeReg, Free BDM, Anc & FindMyPast without success.
Where did you locate the record that mentions the SHELTON as mother please?
Westy
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Looked at GRO with success. ;D
The one place I didnt try. :(
Westy
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If you send for the actual birth certificate(s) that will give you the exact information as no baptism has materialised.
The 1902 or 1905 death if I recall one was the date of death and one the probate? **
** yes just checked date of death 31 Aug 1902 probate date 6 Jun 1906
Having said that I can't see 1906 mentioned apart from on the transcription. Says he had effects in England £100.
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Betsy is said to have married 3 times. :o
To date cannot locate two of the said marriages.
Any clues as to who she married? Is this in England?
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hi Milliepede,
According to Betsy's death certificate she married three times. The first was unknown and no issue. The second was when she was 32 in Birmingham and issue was her son. There was no statement as to issue from her supposed third marriage which is understandable given she was 50 - 56 years of age.
Betsy was baptised Eaton, Leicestershire 9 Jan 1840 so a possible birth end of 1839 or early 1840. That would make a marriage about 1872 at Birmingham.
However the dates are suspicious. For example Betsy said she was 50 when she & Edward married however she was actually 56. It was said she was 53 when she died however she was 59 years. Her son Edward Francis was said to be from her 2nd marriage however his birth was registered as GISSING in 1880 at Newcastle on Tyne.
Thanks for your perseverance.
Westy
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Hi Westy
Coming from a family of Nonconformists, Edward is unlikely to have been baptized in the Church of England. He married in a Roman Catholic church and his parents in a Baptist chapel, as announced by local newspapers:
The Suffolk Chronicle, 10 July 1841
MARRIED ...
Yesterday, at the Baptist Chapel, Eye, Mr. Gissing, draper, to Miss Sarah Ann Bishop, third daughter of the late Mr. J. Bishop, both of the above place.
The Bury and Norwich Post, 9 Feb. 1869
MARRIED ...
On the 31st ult., at St. Edmund's Catholic Church, Bury St. Edmund's, by the Rev. Edward M. Bird, S.J., EDWARD FREEMAN GISSING, Esq., only son of S. Gissing, Esq., of Eye, Suffolk, to EMILY MARY, eldest daughter of the late Sir CHARLES CUYLER, Bart.
David
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Can't compute the 3 marriages for Betsy. If she married Edward using the name Shelton and that was the maiden name registered on the birth of her son was that her birth name or a previous married name - nope can't untangle that one :(
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Hi David,
Thats a good point: the thought had briefly occurred to me and I didn't follow through for no reason other than I forgot to go back.
Edward & Betsy married in Australia in the Primitive Methodist he seems to have continued the non conformist alignment.
Interesting that I didn't give it further thought until you pointed it out as it makes perfect sense. I too come from a long line of non conformists so no excuses. ;D
Westy
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Can't compute the 3 marriages for Betsy. If she married Edward using the name Shelton and that was the maiden name registered on the birth of her son was that her birth name or a previous married name - nope can't untangle that one :(
Hi Milliepede,
I too am unable to follow it especially as there are so many contradictions.
Westy