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Title: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: rarauk on Saturday 02 June 18 20:35 BST (UK)
I’m hoping someone can help me solve this mystery!

Jane Palfreyman (also seen as Palfermone)
Born c 1861

She has her place of birth on census listed as Cornwall.
1911 census she has it as “resident bodminland Cornwall” and her fathers birthplace as Durham.

She married John A Hudson. In 1881, portsea Hampshire, and they lived in the Channel Islands.

That’s all I know, and would really like to crack this but of my great nans tree.
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth 1961
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 02 June 18 20:41 BST (UK)
Please can you be a bit more specific about her entries in all the post-marriage censuses (1891, 1901, 1911 and possibly also 1881 depending on the precise marriage date) and where in the Channel Islands they were?

If the mystery is the identity of her parents, have you considered ordering the 1881 marriage certificate from the GRO, for paternal & witness details?
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth 1961
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 02 June 18 20:45 BST (UK)
I see that the marriage was late in 1881:

John Andrew Hudson
Jane Palferymane

Dec qtr 1881 Portsea 2b 976
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth 1961
Post by: rarauk on Saturday 02 June 18 20:57 BST (UK)
I see that the marriage was late in 1881:

John Andrew Hudson
Jane Palferymane

Dec qtr 1881 Portsea 2b 976

Yes that’s the marriage.

I can’t find Jane on 1861/1871/1881 census’

1891 -

Jane Hudson
Birth abt 1860
Cornwall, England.

Residence- RESIDENCE LOCATION
St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
CHILDREN
■   Philip Hudson
■   Louisa Hudson
■   John Hudson
■   Arthur Hudson
■   George Hudson
HUSBAND
■   John Hudson



1901-
Jane Hudson
Birth abt 1861
England

Residence -
St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands

CHILDREN
■   Charles Hudson
■   John R Hudson
■   Louise G Hudson
■   Arthur E Hudson
■   Frank W Hudson
■   George R Hudson
■   Philip A Hudson
HUSBAND
■   John A Hudson


1911 -
Jane Hudson
Birth abt 1861
Bodminland, Cornwall, England (Written as  resident...)

RESIDENCE LOCATION
St Martins, Guernsey, Channel Islands

CHILDREN
■   Charles Hudson
■   Frank Walter Hudson
■   Kathleen Hudson
■   Laurie Grav Hudson
HUSBAND
■   John Andrew Hudson


That’s all the info I have. It’s the Hudson side I’m tracing but Nan said she would have liked to know where both  her grandparents came from, it’s just difficult when she doesn’t know anything about them 😔
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 02 June 18 21:02 BST (UK)
How great that the 1911 Channel Islands census gives you everyone’s father’s birthplace as well as their own!  I was not aware of that.

Have you looked for Palfreyman (and variants) individuals in earlier censuses with a birthplace of Hylton, Durham?
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 02 June 18 21:08 BST (UK)
I can't find a birth either, so suspect she was born under a different surname.

I have suspicion her father (or step father?) could be Robert Palfreyman b Hylton c1841. On 1861 he's a ship's carpenter, single, on the Donegat moored in Hamoaze, Cornwall. Says he's single, b Cumberland
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: osprey on Saturday 02 June 18 21:35 BST (UK)
there's a marriage 30 July 1862 in Devonport St Mary of Robert Palfreyman & Jane Bennett.
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 02 June 18 21:36 BST (UK)
Yes, Robert looks very interesting.  For reference here is his birth family in 1851:

Hylton, Ford, Sunderland, Durham:

Elizabeth Palfreyman Head Wid 32 Pauper Sunderland Union born Berwick on Tweed
Robert do Son 10 Shipbuilder’s labourer Durham Hylton
Philip do Son 7 Durham Hylton
George do Son 5 Durham Hylton
Mary do Daur 3 Durham Hylton
Thomas do Son 11mo Durham Hylton
Joseph Dover lodger Mar 26 Mason Cumberland
John Gibb lodger unm 22 Rail labourer Northumberland Alnwick
William Sutcliffe lodger Mar 27 Rail labourer Yorkshire Bolton
Jane Snowdon visitor unm 21 Durham Hylton

HO107/2395/16/25
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 02 June 18 21:39 BST (UK)
All points to a navy link which could be the later connection to Portsea.
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: rarauk on Saturday 02 June 18 21:47 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for your help, always amazes me how quickly people find little things, when I’ve searched for months.

Robert looks promising, I will dig into that for a bit and get round to ordering the marriage certificate for Jane & John.

Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: osprey on Saturday 02 June 18 21:57 BST (UK)
the 1862 marriage gives Robert's father as Philip, shipwright and Jane's as Charles, miner. Address for both 54 Mount St. Jane's age given as 23.

Haven't found that number Mount St on the 1861 census as yet, it seems to go from 51 to 57.

 :-\
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 02 June 18 22:01 BST (UK)
Robert’s father may be the Philip Palfreyman who died aged 39, Mar qtr 1850 Sunderland.
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 02 June 18 22:29 BST (UK)
Looks interesting on 1861 - Slade House, St Ive (in the singular) Cornwall. Next property is Bodmin Land

Charles Bennett    51 - ag lab b St Cleer
Jane Bennett    19 - b St Cleer
Jemima Lee Bennett    1 - grand daughter  b St Ive

RG 9, 1527, 13, 24
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 02 June 18 23:30 BST (UK)
1841 for the Palfreymans:

Ewarts Quay, Offerton, Houghton-le-Spring, Durham

Philip Palfreyman 30 Shipwright J
Elizabeth do 20
Robert do 4mo

All born in county.
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 02 June 18 23:32 BST (UK)
Philip was born as Philip PALFREY, 3 Mar 1810 and baptised 25 May 1810 at Bishopswearmouth to parents Philip Palfrey, Elizabeth Merriman.


Marriage: Philip PALFREMAN to Elizabeth MCKEE, Mar qtr 1840 Sunderland

1st son’s birth: Robert PALFRAY, mmn MCKEE, Mar qtr 1841 Houghton le Spring.
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 03 June 18 00:48 BST (UK)
A possible sighting of Robert in 1871 is in Shildon, Durham indexed as Robert Palfreton (though the original is overwritten and rather unclear), lodger, “unmarried”, 30, ship carpenter, born Sunderland.

RG10/4929/53/39.
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: osprey on Sunday 03 June 18 09:43 BST (UK)
1871 census 23 Charles St, St Helier, Jersey RG10/5757 folio 30 pg 6
Charles Foott head mar 29 labourer
Jane wife 27 laundress
Jemima Palfreyman dau 11
all born England

birth reg Jemima Lee Bennett march qtr 1860 Liskeard vol 5c pg 52 no mmn 


1881 4 Brook Cott, St Helier RG11/5612 folio 5 pg 4
Charles Foott head mar 42 coachman b. England
Jane wife 40 b. England
Edwin son 10
Harry son 7
Mary J dau 5
Adolphus son 2
children all born St Helier
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: osprey on Sunday 03 June 18 09:47 BST (UK)
1891 census family are still in St Helier RG12/4694 folio 147 pg 6, transcribed as Fook on Ancestry. Place of birth for Charles Launceston and for Jane Liskeard.
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: osprey on Sunday 03 June 18 11:19 BST (UK)
1881 census Jemima Palfreymane is a servant to Mary Openshaw in St Laurence, Jersey RG11/5623 folio 28 pg 9
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: rarauk on Thursday 07 June 18 15:55 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone, I’m waiting for the marriage certificate. I will post once I get it, but you have all been really helpful!
Title: Re: Jane Palfreyman birth c1861
Post by: rarauk on Wednesday 13 June 18 15:05 BST (UK)
Update - marriage certificate indeed has father as Robert Palfreymane, deceased. Shipwright.

The witness names are neither of their surnames. And I have an address for Jane which I assume would be where she was for 1881 census.